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    the UN!
    Impotent fluffy bunnies of the world...unite!

    I want all the cute little fluffy bunnies that are outraged by the CIA actions on a plane TOMORROW to go combat ISIS.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Impotent fluffy bunnies of the world...unite!

    I want all the cute little fluffy bunnies that are outraged by the CIA actions on a plane TOMORROW to go combat ISIS.
    ISIL will wilt (WILT I tell you) - before the power of the Care Bear Stare!!!


    I'd like to buy the world a coke......

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    ISIL will wilt (WILT I tell you) - before the power of the Care Bear Stare!!!


    I'd like to buy the world a coke......
    A hug. What they really need is a hug.

    I love cute little fluffy bunnies. They are cute...and cuddly...but have no real value otherwise.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    A hug. What they really need is a hug.
    Maybe we should change the ROE. From now on, before our troops are allowed to shoot back, we should get on a bullhorn and explain that we realize this is all just misdirected anger at their father, and offer to sit down and talk to them about it in a safe, non-threatening environment.

    I love cute little fluffy bunnies. They are cute...and cuddly...but have no real value otherwise.
    I myself have noted with interest that there seems to be a direct relationship between the build-up of hard-power, and the rise of foolish philosophies that say it is not necessary. Only those who are well protected can say that perhaps we shouldn't be strong.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Maybe we should change the ROE. From now on, before our troops are allowed to shoot back, we should get on a bullhorn and explain that we realize this is all just misdirected anger at their father, and offer to sit down and talk to them about it in a safe, non-threatening environment.



    I myself have noted with interest that there seems to be a direct relationship between the build-up of hard-power, and the rise of foolish philosophies that say it is not necessary. Only those who are well protected can say that perhaps we shouldn't be strong.
    What we are seeing is what we always see. As the combat ops dwindle, support for soldiers will dwindle as well. Partisan hacks will do what they have always done...ignore the facts and cling to the hysterics. Bush lied. Well...so did every democrat starting with Clinton 8 years before Bush was elected...but dont worry about that. Bush/Cheney lied about AIT. Well...except democrats were given over 300 briefings on AIT and given virtual tours of facilities and tactics and wanted to know if there wasnt MORE that could be done to extract data. But dont worry about the fact dems knew. CIA tactics were vetted and approved with judicial oversight...but lets ignore all the facts. Now that **** is winding down a bit, the cute fuzzy little bunnies are stepping to the plate.

    Seriously...I want the cute fuzzy little bunnies on a plane tomorrow dealing with people that think nothing of rounding up children and methodically bashing their heads in with rocks. I want the cute fuzzy little bunnies over there dealing with people that rape and then butcher women and children in the name of their glorious cause. I want the cute fuzzy little bunnies over there combating people that slowly and methodically saw a mans head of chanting their praises to allah. And I want it all on film.

    Go, cute little fuzzy bunnies...go! We will cheer you on.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Some of us are able to transcend thinking in the 2 party paradigm.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. We should. And only tactically. But that's why we have an intelligence community
    Which has done a piss poor job of it by the results.

    On the contrary - the war between us and AQAA was launched by the other side.
    Only if you ignore all that happened before AQ launched their 'war.' We don't have to agree with what they did, or hate the U.S. or even disagree with our decades of involvement in the ME, to acknowledge that those attacks didn't come out of the blue or because they hated our freedoms or some other BS. There's a good reason they didn't attack Sweden.

    Nate Silver: What is driving the increase in government spending

    Hint: Defense is still at a post-war low as a portion of GDP. Our defense spending is sustainable. Our entitlements (and, possibly, if rates rise, interest payments) are not.
    It's a quarter of the budget, and roughly double what all other advanced countries spend. At the roughly EU average, it would cut maybe $500 billion off the deficit.

    And our entitlements are sustainable if we want them to be. They aren't sustainable at current levels of tax, but we've made a choice as a country that we want to have a relatively low taxed country versus many of our developed world. Furthermore, entitlements are at their core shifts of spending from households to government. If we cut 'entitlements' it would allow the government to spend more on other stuff at current levels of taxation, but would require roughly equal increases in private spending on the same items - healthcare mainly, since that's the only place where entitlements are an actually difficult problem.

    When did we deliberately create a problem so that we have an excuse to stick around?
    I never used the word "deliberately." Otherwise, see, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan......

    True story. It turns out there is no perfect solution, and each problem solved often means that another will rise in its stead. We defeated Hitler, and then had to face Stalin. We beat Communism, and then had to face Islamic Fundamentalism. After Islamic Fundamentalism, it will be something else.

    But here's the trick on that: foreign policy isn't optional. There is a living example today of what happens when a country decides that it is. That country is North Korea. If we like our nice first-world lifestyle, then we have to protect the global supply chains and trade order that makes that possible.
    You've created a nice straw man - no one asserts that foreign policy is optional. But you can't ignore, for example, that going into Iraq and dismantling it has caused the problem of how to deal with a broken state in Iraq. Or that deposing an elected leader in Iran and then installing the Shah had no role in the anti-U.S. backlash in that country, or that establishing a permanent presence in the area will also inevitably lead to problems. I sometimes wonder how we'd view, say, China meddling in the affairs on this continent and if we'd gladly accept a permanent Chinese military base in Virginia, or two miles over the border in Mexico, etc.

    I would disagree. It has been almost half a century now since Israel went to war against another nation-state, Afghanistan, for all it is problematic, is not being run by the Taliban and Iraq, for all that the North is a security nightmare, is still a (roughly) functioning representative government rather than a psycho-dictatorship with a history of attacking its neighbors.

    As Hitchens pointed out - if the West doesn't interject itself, it doesn't mean that nothing happens. It means that something else happens.
    Of course if we remove ourselves it doesn't mean that nothing else happens. The point is simply that when we DO interject, those acts have sometimes predictable and sometimes unpredictable consequences and you can't point to the blowback without acknowledging what caused it.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Awww, aint that sweet. We can understand you not wanting to show those true colors.

    Now my lil affectionate one, you know Nana says that if you afraid to play the game. Then there is no reason for you to be in it.
    I think I have made my position on torture very clear in this and other posts on the matter.....that wasn't the point....the point still is YOUR acceptance of torture as a legitimate act by the state.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    I would concur. Instead we should seek to push hostile elements from the critical spaces that they currently control or influence.



    Unfortunately, it does mean that we need to maintain a forward-leaning defense posture. For example, were you to pull the 5th Fleet from Bahrain, or the 7th Fleet out of the Pacific, you would create massive vacuums that belligerents would rush to fill.



    It's not us who decided to engage in a multi-generational war - it was them. War's don't end when one side gets' bored of the whole thing and decides to go home and watch movies instead, it requires both actors to cease hostilities.

    And we can, in fact, sustain our defense spending pretty much indefinitely at this point - increase it, even. Defense isn't what's driving the deficit, our burgeoning entitlements are.



    That is incorrect. We created space for ourselves and the possibility that later we could create vacuums by withdrawing precisely because we were trying to solve issues. For example, the U.S. has a fleet in Bahrain not least to keep the Iranians from holding the worlds' oil sea-lanes hostage (that's us solving an issue), and we stationed troops in the Middle East for decades in order to help keep Israel and Egypt from going to war again (that's us solving an issue), and we have troops helping the Iraqi's now so that they can more effectively combat a terrorist-state (that's us helping to solve an issue).

    We don't deploy because something looks pretty on a map - we deploy explicitly to solve issues.



    You cannot move around in a single area to engage other theaters. That's like saying that you are going to move around within your town in order to move to the next country.



    A) we can and
    B) to the extent that they are solvable, we can definitely be a part of the solution. Certainly our absence only makes these issues worse.
    Decades of intervention, decades of presence spotted with military presence, a current war that has lasted itself more than a decade and where are we? Are terrorists beaten? No? So we should continue intervening in this same manner, but it will totally be different this time?

    Don't buy it. All our wars, all our bombings, all our military campaigns, all our political pressure decade after decade has solved nothing. Doing more of the same will do nothing.
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