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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not at all.....it is a simple matter especially for those that believe they are highly moral.

    You have a terrorist and you have great many lives you can save. You have a choice. You can torture the terrorist or let a great many people die. You decide. Will you torture to try and get some info. Or will you let all those people die? You make the call.

    Which is it?
    You ask me to decide whether the means justify the ends....while you deny that what I accused you of was a matter of the means justifying the ends.

    Watching too many episodes of "24" can be damaging.

    But keep on bring forward more justification for torture....while you deny that you are doing so.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    The REAL point is that this report was conceived by, prepared by, funded by and championed by the Democrats on the committee. This was published as a last poke in the eye to President Bush and to keep the attention off the hearings concerning Gruber and the Benghazi cover-up.
    You guys a riot sometimes. Anything that isn't about your little pet issue of the day (or, in the case of "the Benghazi cover-up," your pet issue for the last 2+ years) is a "distraction."
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The problem is the CIA has a history of self serving lies, over many years, with regard to the program and its results. So the defense is "The CIA says the CIA got great info from using the waterboard, ergo, we must conclude that the information about the awesomeness of CIA actions verified by CIA is correct!"



    That's a good example - there are pictures of a waterboard set up in places where the CIA denies waterboarding took place.



    I'm not defending democrats and blaming republicans - I don't think I've mentioned party a single time other than when required to respond.
    Disgrace: Senate Democrats' Flawed, Reckless CIA Interrogation Report - Guy Benson
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    Where is this History, as going back to the Church/Pike hearings in the 70's was the last time you had committees going after the CIA for what some thought was illegal. But was then later discovered was all legal.

    So then what about Other Politicians/Officials that were not on this committee that say they were shown the results from the information by the CIA in their briefings? Who else do you need to confirm to you that the methods worked? Who else can validate for you that what the CIA says is true?




    Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

    With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).

    In a rare public statement last month that broached the subject of his classified objections, Feingold complained about administration claims of congressional support, saying that it was "not the case" that lawmakers briefed on the CIA's program "have approved it or consented to it."

    Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Please read the details of the Japanese war atrocities before to soil this thread with more demeaning moral equivalencies.
    We charged them with a crime for waterboarding U.S. soldiers. Are you saying it's not a problem if we do it? And it wasn't just the Japanese - I linked earlier to a legal analysis that demonstrates we've always considered waterboarding torture, and a crime, across more than a century, in various cases, from wars to domestically, done by U.S. soldiers or to them, etc. There was no question until 2002 or so whether it was torture - it was considered obviously torture, period.

    And the core issue remains - that killing is part of war does not speak AT ALL to whether or not torture is morally justifiable or acceptable. We've separated those issues for our entire history as far as I can tell, but you're lumping them into the same moral question. If torture is justifiable because it falls short of killing, then you've opened a very large barn door.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Watching too many episodes of "24" can be damaging.
    Same is true for Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You ask me to decide whether the means justify the ends....while you deny that what I accused you of was a matter of the means justifying the ends.

    Watching too many episodes of "24" can be damaging.

    But keep on bring forward more justification for torture....while you deny that you are doing so.

    That's the Bottomline.....no matter what. Doesn't matter if the end Justifies the means. As it might not. There is no other variable. What does matter is all that hyped morality that you want to sound off with. So shall we put you down for torturing the terrorist then?

    Nah I don't watch TV to much and certainly not Soap Operas that you are talking about.



    What did this accomplish? It may fire up the lefty base and sate ideologues' political bloodlust after a brutal election, but this issue isn't a major advantage to posturing Democrats. Why? Americans overwhelmingly believe that "torture" is sometimes justified:




    Yeah, lets go with what most of America thinks about some justification.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Same is true for Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.
    So you got a double whammy, that is sad.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Same is true for Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.
    But a SC justice actually brought up 24 in a discussion of torture.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I recall, ISIS and AQ were active, and killing Americans, long before the Democrats released the report.

    And you're still shooting the messenger. If it's treason to reveal what happened, surely the acts revealed were also treasonous.
    Might want to look up "treason".

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's the Bottomline.....no matter what. Doesn't matter if the end Justifies the means. As it might not. There is no other variable. What does matter is all that hyped morality that you want to sound off with. So shall we put you down for torturing the terrorist then?
    The question whether our government has the green light for torture (if it works perhaps) is far more than 'hyped morality.' It gets to a core value of the country.

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