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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    (1) Yes, now we know that there were more.
    (2) No. Killing people with drones may get some of the terrorists, but it just creates more.
    1. I haven't seen any credible information that we waterboarded innocent non combatants.

    2. So what do we do?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Again, I agree that there was/is criminality on both sides. Also agree we don't want to go there.

    I do think that there should be reasoned debate about whether we continue down this path. There are arguments on both sides. I do not like us using torture or killing people using joysticks to deploy drones. On the other hand I don't want a bomb to go off at a mall in the U.S. These are not easy issues.
    No, they are not easy issues. We're dealing with a determined enemy who thinks we're evil, and wants to kill us. They consider freedom a bad thing, as it allows people to disobey Allah. They're convinced that they'll get a reward in heaven if they die killing the infidel (that's us, as you know) We must protect the homeland from such as ISIS and Al Qaeda, but torturing and making war into a video game isn't the way to do it. That's not who we are, and it only helps the radicals recruit more radicals.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

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    Beaudreaux is/was in the Air Force. Think about that for a moment.

    He's a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    I happened to catch an interview (I think it was CBS) on the world news last night. Scott Pelly was interviewing two admitted CIA torturers.

    One guy had never been active CIA, military, or anything else that could be listed as possible requirements for the job. I was thinking: Here come the scapegoats. I guess they must have a written test to discover who the sadists are. I've always thought that it would be odd for a highly credentialed man or woman to be actually getting their hands wet. Those two guys were just scum looking for a great paycheck. It's ****ing laughable.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, they are not easy issues. We're dealing with a determined enemy who thinks we're evil, and wants to kill us. They consider freedom a bad thing, as it allows people to disobey Allah. They're convinced that they'll get a reward in heaven if they die killing the infidel (that's us, as you know) We must protect the homeland from such as ISIS and Al Qaeda, but torturing and making war into a video game isn't the way to do it. That's not who we are, and it only helps the radicals recruit more radicals.
    Maybe we can send Franklin Graham over there with some "shoebox gifts" ... that should do the trick right?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe we can send Franklin Graham over there with some "shoebox gifts" ... that should do the trick right?
    Is that your solution?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    I've contemplated this for several days before commenting.

    While I condemn the CIA for the techniques used, what Dianne Feinstein has done is political posturing as part of a temper tantrum over the party losing the Senate. Her nearly treasonous acts endanger the lives of Americans around the globe and give aid and comfort to the enemy.

    Shame of Feinstein and the democrats.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is that your solution?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. I haven't seen any credible information that we waterboarded innocent non combatants.

    2. So what do we do?
    Perhaps not, but there was a lot more to it than waterboarding, and some of the prisoners just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    If torture is such an effective technique, perhaps we should start using it in our war on drugs. Capture one gang banger, torture him until he gives up the names of his fellows, then capture and torture them as well. Pretty soon, the drug dealers will all have been captured, tortured, most of them killed, and we'll have won the war on drugs. Does that sound like a good idea?

    Oh, and let's employ drones. Find out where the gangs hang out, send a drone to take them out. Sure, there could be a little collateral damage, but what the hey, we'll have wiped out a bunch of scummy gang bangers. If it works for the Middle East, surely it would work in East LA and similar places, right?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    I've contemplated this for several days before commenting.

    While I condemn the CIA for the techniques used, what Dianne Feinstein has done is political posturing as part of a temper tantrum over the party losing the Senate. Her nearly treasonous acts endanger the lives of Americans around the globe and give aid and comfort to the enemy.

    Shame of Feinstein and the democrats.
    Not sure how you can condemn acts that don't see the light of day, that remain secret.

    And the acts that endanger the lives of Americans currently abroad aren't revealing what was done, but the acts that were revealed. Someone posted a video of one of the psychologists - part of it included him blaming the media for revealing that the U.S. waterboarded detainees. That's just 180 degrees wrong. It will get out, so the only question is whether, WHEN it does, the fallout is offset by the benefits.

    Bottom line is if something we do or did, and which was sanctioned at the highest levels, cannot be disclosed without endangering American troops and others, that's a great clue that we shouldn't be doing it.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Already did. I think this ride is coming back to the starting point again.
    No, you didn't. And what you have to address is the fact that they admit they did no study of effectiveness, and that while we did get the information other ways, they can't say whether they needed the torture or not. The fact is, even if the got the little bit they claim, and it is a very little bit, we know we got as much or more misinformation, that we used btw, and that we harmed innocent people. So, no, you have not.

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