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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Cheney blasts Senate interrogation report

    Who gave Cheney his gun back?

    At least there were no human victims this time.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    One more thing - cpwill says as far as he's aware, we always had medical personnel on hand during waterboarding sessions of our detainees. And I know we have medical personnel on hand when soldiers are subjected to waterboarding during training. Why do we need a medical person if there is no danger to the detainee? Seems to me if you're doing something life threatening enough to require a medical professional be on hand that it's sort of definitional - there is a real risk of DEATH, and that's as good a line of any as to what clearly constitutes torture.
    I don't think I said this, however, it's worth pointing out that it doesn't mean what you are extrapolating from it. We also always have medical personnel, for example, for regular training evolutions, long runs, marches, and the like.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That is sort of true, because we trained our soldiers on how to endure TORTURE at the hands of brutal enemies.

    It's incredible (as well as abhorrent) that you're suggesting we say to the world that waterboarding our soldiers is a legitimate and perfectly acceptable interrogation technique to be used on them....
    No - the Geneva accords for uniformed military personnel are pretty clear. But our spies can probably expect it.

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    In a world full of false narrative, and a sliding scale for determining wrong, means nothing is wrong.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In a world full of false narrative, and a sliding scale for determining wrong, means nothing is wrong.
    Anytime the leftists come with the preaching of morality. Then let them decide. Torture a terrorist or save many people. Choice is on them. Lets see what they will be about.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I pointed out, the author was part of a team that redesigned the Navy SERE training program and participated in hundreds of waterboarding sessions in training. He's got an opinion informed by years of study and extensive experience in being waterboarded and performing the torture technique on others - you do not. So I'll go with the expert.

    But I'm curious - maybe you can help me out. If your mouth and nose are full of water and you take a breath, as you must, where does the water go? In your lungs, and stomach....

    Here's one account of a person subjected to it: http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/...t_20061016.pdf See page 16-17.

    Q: And then did he take you back to your room?
    A: When Yuki could not get anything out of me he wanted the interpreter ti place me down below and I was told by Yuki to take off all my clothes so what I did was to take off my clothes as ordered. I was ordered to lay on a bench and Yuki tied my feet, hands and neck to that bench lying with my face upward. After I was tied to the bench Yuki placed some cloth on my face and then with water from the faucet they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.
    COL KEELEY: You mean he brought water and poured water down your throat?
    A: No sir, on my face, until I became unconscious. We were lying that way with some cloth on my face and then Yuki poured water on my face continuously.
    COL KEELEY: And you couldn’t breath?
    A: No, I could not and so I for a time lost consciousness. I found my consciousness came back again and found Yuki was sitting on my stomach and then I vomited the water from my stomach and the consciousness came back again for me.
    Q: Where did the water come out when he sat on your stomach?
    A” From my mouth and all openings of my face....and then Yuki would repeat the same treatment and the same procedure to me until I became unconscious again.
    Q: How many times did that happen?
    A: Around four or five times from two o’clock up to four o’clock in the afternoon.When I was not able to endure his punishment which I received I told a lie to Yuki....I could not really show anything to Yuki because I was really lying just to stop the [legitimate interrogation technique that is NOT] torture...

    I added the italics in that last line, because clearly the guy was NOT tortured per you. But we did prosecute a bunch of Japanese for war crimes for the crime of non-torture waterboarding, which we called torture then but were wrong about....

    One more thing - cpwill says as far as he's aware, we always had medical personnel on hand during waterboarding sessions of our detainees. And I know we have medical personnel on hand when soldiers are subjected to waterboarding during training. Why do we need a medical person if there is no danger to the detainee? Seems to me if you're doing something life threatening enough to require a medical professional be on hand that it's sort of definitional - there is a real risk of DEATH, and that's as good a line of any as to what clearly constitutes torture.

    " Pints and pints of water ", huh ? Flowing up hill into the lungs without being coughed or spit out ?

    I don't care who that guys says he is, he's lying.

    Why go through all the trouble of Waterboarding someone when you could just tie them up and lower them into a Pool ?

    If Pints and pints of water go into your lungs anyway then why strap them inverted to a backboard ? Just dunk them until they talk.

    They go through the trouble because Waterboarding is not drowning, its simulated drowning.

    Also if Pints of pints of water flow into your your lungs your'e going to die unless you get immediate life saving medical care

    So your telling me these Muslim Terrorist had to be intubated after every session ?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm saying it does. KSM broke and told us what we wanted to know (and quite a bit more besides), and yet it wasn't what you described.



    ...yeah. A few guys I know but who you won't care about, but one guy you can access since he's on this board.
    Beaudreaux is/was in the Air Force. Think about that for a moment.

    He's a liar.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I"m telling you you are clinging to a single testimony over the experiences of the tens of thousands who have actually gone through it. But please, describe how one can get "just a taste" of waterboarding without being waterboarded or "just a taste" of being forced to adopt stress positions until you collapse, when you were forced to adopt stress positions until you collapsed, or "just a taste" of being kept awake for 48+ hours, when you were kept away for 48+ hours.
    No. It doesn't even hold water logically. There is no real way we'd ever risk the same harm to us that others experienced. Remember, one person died in a stress position. But the fact is, no one above you is really claiming it is the same. And the one called to testify clearly stated it wasn't. People we torture endured even after they collapsed, and beyond. And not one 48 hour stretch but on going bouts of it. So, no, it is hubris to think you endured the same thing.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    People claim they were successful just as the Democrats no interview partisan report claims it was successful, and with the same motivation. As I believe the counter reports, along with the OpEd from Bob Kerrey, firmly establishes the glaring omissions and highly partisan nature of Feinstein's boondoggle, we are at odds.

    So be it.
    A claim isn't equal to fact. Looking at what you did and what you got is the objective method.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah Right, a quote that Feinstein made publicly with the NY Times can't be supported by evidence.

    But lets forget about what she had said Right?
    Yep. No matter who makes the claim, any claim, evidence is required. Evidence and not talk is what we need.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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