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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh did you mean Feinstein and her staff members trying to do thinking for others. Also not calling for any depositions?
    To do thinking? Not the thought police here man. Analyzing over 6 million documents isnt "trying to do thinking for others".

    What part about sensationlization don't you get? Like he says at the end.




    But you can still object to the conduct, you can still hold people accountable if you need to without releasing these kinds of sensational details, which harm American national security interests, and harm our ability to fight terrorism here and now......snip~
    Ohh i get it now. Americans should not know what we did, it should all be secret, secret. No need to show what we did to people. No need to show we tortued, and abused people. No need to show how inhuman we became after 9/11. No need for transparency, no need for public knowledge, no need to inform the electorate, no need to learn from history. Spoken like a true neo-con, wait he is a neo-con




    Seems even a Neo Con can get it Right.
    Now thats funny.
    Whats funny is how you talk about others and their Objectivity while defending Feinsteins Report which is completely without any Objectivity whatsoever.
    4 year study analyzing 6 million documents isnt objective? Notice how the GOP leadership isnt saying that this study is "false" or anything along those lines they are playing the national security card.


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, it seems you're willing to go to great lengths to accept what has been widely exposed as opinion masquerading as a "report" from the Democrats, so I'm not sure that standard is helping your cause.
    No, as I have said, this isn't new and I've given clear examples that are verifiable, that meet my standard, that show it gave us misinformation or no information and cost the live of an innocent person. Asking that they do the same isn't being unreasonable.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    This is a ridiculous assertion. If the purpose is to gain intelligence, killing the subject is the very worst thing you can do. Claiming ISIS just kills people since torture is ineffective is committing a pretty obvious category error.
    You assume they need to get intel.

    The point is, they are ignorant of these techniques. And they are no more effective for them.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Much like Dianne Feinstein's release of the report.
    A release is opinion? That doesn't make sense.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Doesn't Kerrey, who recently lost his bid for reelection in Nebraska, understand that the partisanship shown is all on his side of the aisle - or does he and he's saying he doesn't like it? Looks like the latter to me, and kudos to him for stating his opinion, which I agree with. Feinstein may have just given our enemies what they need as propaganda to use against us! Perhaps she should consider retiring if this is the best she can do for America - she is 81 years old, and a multi-millionaire who apparently doesn't fear terrorists.
    Hi Polgara. My take is the latter as well. I'm impressed with his candor, and given the partisanship that dominates the environment today, I'm impressed with his spelling out why he reached the conclusion he did. As someone who served on the committee himself, I have to assume he is quite qualified to speak on the matter.

    Most telling to me is his comments about lack of recommendation contained in the report. When one considers how the international community will take the reports "findings", I think Kerrey's admonishment of his fellow Democrats for what he sees as a purely partisan project, is well placed.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh hell, none of the techniques are secret. Hell they're old school Russian practices. Even ISIS know them and how ineffective they are. That's why they just kill.

    Not the techniques I was talking about.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, as I have said, this isn't new and I've given clear examples that are verifiable, that meet my standard, that show it gave us misinformation or no information and cost the live of an innocent person. Asking that they do the same isn't being unreasonable.
    The reports I referenced countered what you are claiming. It would seem your standard does not measure up to those who know far more than you or I.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The u.s should hand over the responsible people to face justice at the Hauge because torture is a crime againist humanity.
    Should the Congress people that approved the enhanced interrogation also be sent for trial?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who, indeed? And, just who will be running against her (or him, as the case may be)?

    And, if the voters are watching (not likely) then the Democrats' strategy of blaming torture on the Republicans just could backfire. But, then again, the Republicans' strategy of blaming illegal immigration on the Democrats ought to backfire as well....

    However, feeding the voters bull(bleep!) like that seems to be effective.
    Maybe the sheeple are easily led
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    And a great many are. Too many.

    But Liz would be tough and have a LOT of media support to help smooth out the rough edges.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Perhaps that explains the timing of the release of the report.
    I wonder how many Americans support having lied about it? I suppose that's just become expected.
    I think the majority of us expect our government to lie to us. We even support them in all the lies they tell by making excuses for them. We only become mad at all the lies if it is the other party, the one we do not support is doing the lying. Our party, we are fine with it and even get a good laugh out of it at times.

    I had a poll in which stated only 6% of all Americans expect a candidate to keep their campaign promises. That is how low a bar we hold our government and elected officials too. Trust in government is around 25% today. I have that poll. We consider lying just part of our political systems and something the government does. No big thing.

    Tomorrow this report will mean nothing unless something happens overseas and it will be replaced with another hot issue.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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