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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

That is stupid Fox propaganda. We should not be so fearful.
Fox propaganda??? The man involved was being interviewed! Hw can that be propaganda?? Fox only did what the authors of that report should have done. How can interviewing those who were on the scene be 'propaganda'?
The word was ideals. Like being good, moral people who believe in life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, among other things.
You appear to believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for terrorists, but what about the American people who die by their hands?
 
Fox propaganda??? The man involved was being interviewed! Hw can that be propaganda?? Fox only did what the authors of that report should have done. How can interviewing those who were on the scene be 'propaganda'?

:lamo What are you going on about? I'm speaking to your exaggerated fear, and not one interview.

You appear to believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for terrorists, but what about the American people who die by their hands?

Now you try to marginalize with a lie. I have noted two who were not terrorist who were killed. And I'm all for punishing terrorist. But not for abusing people just to be abusing them. Torture is ineffective and immoral. That means there is no reason to do it.
 
:lamo What are you going on about? I'm speaking to your exaggerated fear, and not one interview.
My exaggerated fear?? What's that alll about? Following 9/11 the leftists claimed Bush was unprepared for the attack. Now he prepares America and they blame him for that also. Why not just watch the interview to the end and lean another perspective rather than letting Salon interpret the news for you.
Now you try to marginalize with a lie. I have noted two who were not terrorist who were killed. And I'm all for punishing terrorist. But not for abusing people just to be abusing them. Torture is ineffective and immoral. That means there is no reason to do it.
You have no idea who were terrorists, who had a relationship with terrorists, and so on. Only those who were in the room have an idea and you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. You will never learn unless you make an effort.
 
My exaggerated fear?? What's that alll about? Following 9/11 the leftists claimed Bush was unprepared for the attack.
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You will never learn unless you make an effort.

Irony is not a metal but it can make for strong walls of denial.

Bush was unprepared for 9/11 and then he failed to follow through on the legitimate objective of controlling Afghanistan owing to some bizarre hatred of Iraq's leader.
 
My exaggerated fear?? What's that alll about? Following 9/11 the leftists claimed Bush was unprepared for the attack. Now he prepares America and they blame him for that also. Why not just watch the interview to the end and lean another perspective rather than letting Salon interpret the news for you.

I don't speak for leftist, whoever they are, but being prepared is different that exaggerating the threat. And he didn't prepare America. He was reckless and made things worse, broke laws, and abandoned our ideals and morals without cause, wasting American lives and other innocent life without justification. Very different things.

You have no idea who were terrorists, who had a relationship with terrorists, and so on. Only those who were in the room have an idea and you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. You will never learn unless you make an effort.

Two were identified early on. They're on the record. The report lists 26. So, it must be acknowledged we tortured innocent people. This is a fact.
 
Irony is not a metal but it can make for strong walls of denial.

Bush was unprepared for 9/11 and then he failed to follow through on the legitimate objective of controlling Afghanistan owing to some bizarre hatred of Iraq's leader.
This 'bizarre hatred', if you chose to call it that, was felt by every US politician and almost every world leader.
 
I don't speak for leftist, whoever they are, but being prepared is different that exaggerating the threat. And he didn't prepare America. He was reckless and made things worse, broke laws, and abandoned our ideals and morals without cause, wasting American lives and other innocent life without justification. Very different things. Two were identified early on. They're on the record. The report lists 26. So, it must be acknowledged we tortured innocent people. This is a fact.
Well I can't add much to that. With all the evil going on in the American government I suppose the people will eventually get what they deserve.
 
Well I can't add much to that. With all the evil going on in the American government I suppose the people will eventually get what they deserve.

Torture is evil. We used to know that. Those who don't are an embarrassment to those who came before us.
 
Torture is evil. We used to know that. Those who don't are an embarrassment to those who came before us.
Well, your admission of America's committing evil against innocent Muslims is certainly justification for more terrorism, and their use of it as recruiting tool. Have you also been contributing to their web sites?
 
Well, your admission of America's committing evil against innocent Muslims is certainly justification for more terrorism, and their use of it as recruiting tool. Have you also been contributing to their web sites?

The US committing torture is certainly not justification for terrorism but it certainly is being used as recruiting tool by the Islamic fanatics.
 
Well, your admission of America's committing evil against innocent Muslims is certainly justification for more terrorism, and their use of it as recruiting tool. Have you also been contributing to their web sites?

No, it isn't. Evil doesn't justify evil. But if we care about recruitment, lying about it isn't the way to go. Simply stop being immoral. Follow rule of law.
 
No, it isn't. Evil doesn't justify evil. But if we care about recruitment, lying about it isn't the way to go. Simply stop being immoral. Follow rule of law.

So tell me, if that is the way to go, we have done that no?
 
Yes, we are better today.

I am glad you understand that...Others like Ditto were actually saying earlier that he didn't know if it was ongoing or not....It's not, and hasn't been for quite some time before Obama made the show with his inauguration day EO.
 
I am glad you understand that...Others like Ditto were actually saying earlier that he didn't know if it was ongoing or not....It's not, and hasn't been for quite some time before Obama made the show with his inauguration day EO.

It could be hidden, and that's sadly true. But by all evidence I know of, it's better.

And Obama was right after all the tortured language and convoluted reasoning for torture to state clearly that it is wrong and that we don't have to be immoral.
 
It could be hidden, and that's sadly true. But by all evidence I know of, it's better.

And Obama was right after all the tortured language and convoluted reasoning for torture to state clearly that it is wrong and that we don't have to be immoral.

I think a good step would be for those liberals using language, as you do yourself a little here, that we did this not only on a wide scale, but that it was like some frat house initiation....We, and by 'we' I mean democrats, as well as repubs asked the CIA to do exactly this after 9/11, and now want to come back like they just didn't know is a load of crap.
 
Irony is not a metal but it can make for strong walls of denial.

Bush was unprepared for 9/11 and then he failed to follow through on the legitimate objective of controlling Afghanistan owing to some bizarre hatred of Iraq's leader.

He'd threatened his daddy.

Who had had the good sense to send Saddam packing from Kuwait and then go home and not try to start a nation building projecy.
 
Oh good lord...That's embarrassing for you Ditto....You really buy into this? Come on....:roll:

The alternative is the desire for the oil resources in Iraq.

Although Bush marketed the war in Iraq as necessary to protect us from Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD), his decisions had less to do with self-defense than with dominating the oil-rich Middle East. Some evidence for this conclusion can be found in a September 2000 report prepared by the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC). The report, commissioned by Dick Cheney, outlines a plan “to maintain American military preeminence that is consistent with the requirements of a strategy of American global leadership.” It notes that while “the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” Another document produced for Vice President Cheney’s secret Energy Task Force included a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals as well as charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” That document was dated March 2001, six months before 9/11 and two years before Bush invaded Iraq.
 
I think a good step would be for those liberals using language, as you do yourself a little here, that we did this not only on a wide scale, but that it was like some frat house initiation....We, and by 'we' I mean democrats, as well as repubs asked the CIA to do exactly this after 9/11, and now want to come back like they just didn't know is a load of crap.

I think you're a little wide stroking in with that Brush. That said, I certainly think the top hold responsibility. Not the bottom of the chain, but the top should hold the most accountability. I regret none ever did. And while I think some democrats need to be in that loop, that shouldn't save Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.
 
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