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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The task is to eradicate the cockroaches.

    Not to become like the cockroaches.
    Greetings, Dittohead not!

    : But the "unacceptable" forms of torture were abandoned years ago, if I understand the report, so why bring them up now? There are probably things going on today that we don't know about that would make us very uneasy if we knew about them, but look at what we're dealing with! It's sad that innocent people are being killed or maimed by our bombings, but their own leaders treat them worse on a daily basis than we do if they don't conform to their edicts. What forms of torture are considered "acceptable" these days?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So you would like to see something published that explicitly explains CIA methods & practices.
    Well, okay, but you have to promise that ISIS et al won't see it too.
    Oh hell, none of the techniques are secret. Hell they're old school Russian practices. Even ISIS know them and how ineffective they are. That's why they just kill.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well since you ask a rhetorical question I'll give you a speculative answer.
    The Dems got slammed in the election last month so they need to energize their base.
    But why with something so far out of left field as this, you might ask?
    Well, maybe they see that Hillary is such a crappy candidate that they need to go with someone stronger ... someone who absolutely would energize the media on her side ... someone who would be a first ... someone who is just as far out in left field as this report and the NYT are.
    Now who would that be?
    Who, indeed? And, just who will be running against her (or him, as the case may be)?

    And, if the voters are watching (not likely) then the Democrats' strategy of blaming torture on the Republicans just could backfire. But, then again, the Republicans' strategy of blaming illegal immigration on the Democrats ought to backfire as well....

    However, feeding the voters bull(bleep!) like that seems to be effective. Maybe the sheeple are easily led.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not much. They claim some success but offer little in support. And as we have looked at those before, we know they are less that convincing. We had much of the information already through other means. Saying they got more is not the same as showing they got more. And the bottom line is they neither studied nor can state how effective it was or wasn't. They just "feel" that it was. That's hardly enough.
    I think Bob Kerrey summed up the Democrats effort best.

    Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Maybe its just me.

    But I would rather be alive, even if I had been hurt and was suffering nightmares..........than dead.

    How anyone can claim otherwise is beyond me.
    An individual decision, but you asked for a distinction concerning evil. It's not about preference.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think Bob Kerrey summed up the Democrats effort best.

    Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America
    That's still opinion. Not much else.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives

    The committee has given us instead a one-sided study marred by errors of fact and interpretation—essentially a poorly done and partisan attack on the agency that has done the most to protect America after the 9/11 attacks...

    Information provided by Zubaydah through the interrogation program led to the capture in 2002 of KSM associate and post-9/11 plotter Ramzi Bin al-Shibh. Information from both Zubaydah and al-Shibh led us to KSM. KSM then led us to Riduan Isamuddin, aka Hambali, East Asia’s chief al Qaeda ally and the perpetrator of the 2002 Bali bombing in Indonesia—in which more than 200 people perished.

    The removal of these senior al Qaeda operatives saved thousands of lives because it ended their plotting. KSM, alone, was working on multiple plots when he was captured.



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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    At least congress is answerable to the votes of the American people.

    The CIA is by its very nature a shadow orginization.
    Agree.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, yes... why save lives if it means putting a murdering, terrorist, sub-human in a diaper? or perhaps listen to music they don't like after bedtime? Totally worth it. Imagine all the money we are saving in Pampers now. Our loved ones can be blown to little bits with a smile on their collective faces due to this kind of thinking.
    Oh, there is no question that the reporters and good people often mix up thing that are torture with things that are not. Waterboarding is a very good example. Three goes of it as it was allowed were unpleasant, but not torture by any stretch of the imagination. 184, on the other hand, would probably qualify, as would 700 hours of sleep deprivation.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Considering that the enhanced interrogation is not torture nothing is being denied. It is the left trying to twist the language of things they supported years ago but now is coming back to haunt them with liberal donors, its just about money like everything else.
    I here this claim alot mostly from those on the Right. So, I'm curious: What is your definition of "torture"?

    I think alot of people consider torture exclusive as an act of causing severe pain to the body, i.e., bamboo sticks under finger nails, shock treatment and the like. But torture can also be construed as an act that causes extreme anguish to the body or the mind. As such, waterboarding, sleep deprivation, exposing a person to loud music for extended periods of time could all be considered forms of torture.

    I think for many of us in the U.S., we're accustomed to the Rambo movies or imagines of Vietnam POWs where their feet are beaten w/thin bamboo sticks or are brutally beaten. I wonder if those who see torture exclusively this way would also consider a man or woman placed in a hot box laying out in the hot sun for hours to be a form of punishment or torture.

    If you want to believe that torture is limited exclusively to those physical acts that cause pain to the body, then the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques authorized by the GWB Administration isn't torture. But if you believe torture can include acts that inflict extreme anguish to the body or mind, then such acts would be torture as well.
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