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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    : It might have had more meaning if it hadn't been "coincidently" released at the same time Gruber was testifying about how the ACA - which the majority of people still don't like - was dreamed up. This stupid political move not only makes our enemies drool with glee over how they can use this as propaganda to further enrage their followers who probably don't know this is very old news about something that happened years ago, but it endangers our country today. WTH was Feinstein thinking? Has she forgotten about Clinton bombing aspirin factories in Iraq to try to cover his butt to divert attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Is this what personal self preservation looks like when you're guilty of something and you get caught - and these are the people we choose to lead our country? Is there anyone left in DC with morals?


    Mornin Lady P. Well the truth is the Democrats have to make their move now. As they wouldn't have a chance with the Repubs in control. Then things like talking to witnesses and or getting depositions would take place. You know some of the ethical methods.

    Oh and she knows what she is thinking.


    Obama confronts Bush legacy with report's release.....

    For President Barack Obama, the long-delayed release of a scathing Senate report on harsh CIA interrogations underscores the degree to which the legacy of George W. Bush's national security policies has shadowed the man elected to change or end them.

    It's been a lot harder to move certain things than they anticipated," said Ken Gude, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a White House-aligned think tank. "There have been other areas in which they intentionally have not made much progress." For White House supporters, the question now is whether the final two years of Obama's presidency will bring about other significant shifts away from Bush's national security legacy.

    "This is going to be the defining issue of the president's last two years in office on national security policy," Gude said, "whether he can genuinely pass on to his successor a changed and reformed foreign and security policy or whether we're still mired in some of the same old debates that at that point will be 15 years old."....snip~

    Obama confronts Bush legacy with report's release

    Even the leftist AP writer Julie Pace knows what its all about.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    How many executions have they committed compared to all of the other nations on Earth? I am pro torture when it is necessary. Diane Fienstien is a dilapidated, old, senile bitch.
    I do not know about torture ie I believe it must remain forbidden. But the things allowed by the handbooks and legal opinions seemed okay to me. As it now looks, however, the law has been systematically broken and our representatives and government personnel have systematically lied to us. That will not work.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's called being through, and making sure the claim is backed you properly. As for the interviews see what DemSoc put up above.
    heh heh, serendipitous typo there.

    And see Ocean's reply.
    They didn't even interview the CIA chiefs and the JD excuse was no more.
    What else ya got?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You know, if you want to maintain some shred of credibility, you'd a least visit the site for a half second so it doesn't look so obvious you are clueless about this whole issue.

    Rant on, but it's only impressing the uninformed who embrace that level of knowledge.
    I did. Lets view some of these links you are upholding.
    First link from Politico is by JOHN DEUTCH. Who is JOHN DEUTCH? He "was a member of President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board for President George H.W. Bush and Director of Central Intelligence in the Clinton administration. ".

    Next link is Mike Rogers, GOP Chairman of Intelligence, press release, nothing really of substance, just saying "naughty naughty report".

    Next link is a Wall-Street Journal article, which is written by " former CIA Directors George J. Tenet, Porter J. Goss and Michael V. Hayden (a retired Air Force general), and former CIA Deputy Directors John E. McLaughlin, Albert M. Calland (a retired Navy vice admiral) and Stephen R. Kappes". Golly gee!

    Next link is "W", yea we dont even have to go there.

    Next link is CBS interview with former CIA Director Michael Hayden...

    Next link is a Washington Post article written by Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. who "is a 31-year veteran of the CIA.".

    Next link is a Morning Joe interview with Michael Hayden who was the Director of the CIA.


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Both parties would have preferred this report to NOT be released, to remain swept under the rug where it had been for years.

    That's because both parties enabled such practices by looking the other way when it happened. General Taguba admitted that back in 2008.

    America's moral compass has been spinning for quite some time now. Never look to the government for moral guidance.
    Good morning, Henry David.

    Moral guidance from the government? Moral and government don't belong in the same sentence, IMO, as we are seeing. There's a good reason why Congress and the POTUS have such low approval ratings - no one trusts them to do anything except further their own interests, which far too often conflict with what the people of this country want. Then to top it off, we're told that this is what they've decided to do, and get used to it and STHU with the questions and complaining - it's for our own good! Gee, aren't we the lucky ones?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Lady P. Well the truth is the Democrats have to make their move now. As they wouldn't have a chance with the Repubs in control. Then things like talking to witnesses and or getting depositions would take place. You know some of the ethical methods.

    Oh and she knows what she is thinking.


    Obama confronts Bush legacy with report's release.....

    For President Barack Obama, the long-delayed release of a scathing Senate report on harsh CIA interrogations underscores the degree to which the legacy of George W. Bush's national security policies has shadowed the man elected to change or end them.

    It's been a lot harder to move certain things than they anticipated," said Ken Gude, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a White House-aligned think tank. "There have been other areas in which they intentionally have not made much progress." For White House supporters, the question now is whether the final two years of Obama's presidency will bring about other significant shifts away from Bush's national security legacy.

    "This is going to be the defining issue of the president's last two years in office on national security policy," Gude said, "whether he can genuinely pass on to his successor a changed and reformed foreign and security policy or whether we're still mired in some of the same old debates that at that point will be 15 years old."....snip~

    Obama confronts Bush legacy with report's release

    Even the leftist AP writer Julie Pace knows what its all about.
    Of course. It's about exposing torture, but blaming it on the Republicans.

    Hope and change? What a crock. Nothing has changed. Obama is Bush III.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    heh heh, serendipitous typo there.

    And see Ocean's reply.
    They didn't even interview the CIA chiefs and the JD excuse was no more.
    What else ya got?
    You are asking for us to trust the CIA on this?

    Trust and the CIA do not exist in the same demension.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You are asking for us to trust the CIA on this?

    Trust and the CIA do not exist in the same demension.
    What's the alternative - trust Congress? I think trust in any government institution is and should be suspect given their bad track record of lying to the American people.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I did. Lets view some of these links you are upholding.
    First link from Politico is by JOHN DEUTCH. Who is JOHN DEUTCH? He "was a member of President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board for President George H.W. Bush and Director of Central Intelligence in the Clinton administration. ".

    Next link is Mike Rogers, GOP Chairman of Intelligence, press release, nothing really of substance, just saying "naughty naughty report".

    Next link is a Wall-Street Journal article, which is written by " former CIA Directors George J. Tenet, Porter J. Goss and Michael V. Hayden (a retired Air Force general), and former CIA Deputy Directors John E. McLaughlin, Albert M. Calland (a retired Navy vice admiral) and Stephen R. Kappes". Golly gee!

    Next link is "W", yea we dont even have to go there.

    Next link is CBS interview with former CIA Director Michael Hayden...

    Next link is a Washington Post article written by Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. who "is a 31-year veteran of the CIA.".

    Next link is a Morning Joe interview with Michael Hayden who was the Director of the CIA.
    I have no idea what you are going on about.

    There are two links at the top of the home page from CIASavedLives.

    One provides a PDF download of the Senate Minority Report, and the other to a PDF download of the CIA Rebuttal. Both contain specific reference to the Democrats process as well as other relevant information.

    Even if there was some confusion over the links I was referencing, the fact you didn't list them is all the more evidence needed to understand your bias and agenda driven effort here.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Of course. It's about exposing torture, but blaming it on the Republicans.

    Hope and change? What a crock. Nothing has changed. Obama is Bush III.
    I don't think that bush knew about the torture program until it was already in effect.

    The real blame has to fall on the CIA
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