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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yup. Links? You mean Link. The link that is ran by CIA employees, and CIA spies? Are these the same CIA employees that lied to the American public? The Congress? Refused to cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committees report? The same employees that instead of cooperating decided to spy on the Senate Intelligence Committee?
    No. The link that contains two other links that would be of interest to objective rational people. I can see why you would avoid them. No need to clutter a biased conclusion with additional facts.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Verifiable evidence of torture working. I can give you al Libi and the testimony we got from him was false. This is verifiable. I can provide the innocent taxis driver we killed in Afghanistan during torture. Again, verifiable. I expect you do the same. Not that someone said it worked, but verifiable and that we did not get any other way (in the past some presented what we actually got first before torture).

    Sounds like you and the Dem staffers have it covered.
    No matter what anyone showed you/them you/they could refuse to accept it with SOME excuse.
    And actually, I believe your/their excuse is "well, we would have gotten that information anyway" ... that one really closes the book nicely.

    What about no interviews and working backward from the conclusion?
    That was okay too?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Oh here is a very surprising article:

    Americans Have Grown More Supportive Of Torture

    Americans Have Grown More Supportive Of Torture | FiveThirtyEight
    Perhaps that explains the timing of the release of the report.
    I wonder how many Americans support having lied about it? I suppose that's just become expected.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No. The link that contains two other links that would be of interest to objective rational people. I can see why you would avoid them. No need to clutter a biased conclusion with additional facts.
    Which links to what? A bunch of CIA employees writing op-eds! Hey! Maybe instead of writing op-eds now maybe when they had a chance to go in front of the senate intelligence committee they should of went... Naaa they instead decided to spy on the committee instead.


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok... Read the report itself. The CIA told the committee they would not compel with them, wont let anyone be interviewed. This is the CIA telling the committee themselves... Go to page 35 of the report if you dont believe me... They refused to cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committee and instead spied on them...
    What part don't you understand about not crossing a Judicial Inquiry that could result in criminal charges? Do you think that has anything to do with it?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Both parties would have preferred this report to NOT be released, to remain swept under the rug where it had been for years.

    That's because both parties enabled such practices by looking the other way when it happened. General Taguba admitted that back in 2008.

    America's moral compass has been spinning for quite some time now. Never look to the government for moral guidance.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It does remind one of Church, back in the 70's going after the CIA, doesn't it?

    Some of this has to do with the CIA putting Benghazi on the State Dept, which was acting extension of BO peep.

    There was absolutely NO reason other than political, to release this report now. Also to draw heat off BO and his Team.

    Did you see the poll from yesterday or the day before on how many Americans want BO sued?
    Greetings, MMC.

    : It might have had more meaning if it hadn't been "coincidently" released at the same time Gruber was testifying about how the ACA - which the majority of people still don't like - was dreamed up. This stupid political move not only makes our enemies drool with glee over how they can use this as propaganda to further enrage their followers who probably don't know this is very old news about something that happened years ago, but it endangers our country today. WTH was Feinstein thinking? Has she forgotten about Clinton bombing aspirin factories in Iraq to try to cover his butt to divert attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Is this what personal self preservation looks like when you're guilty of something and you get caught - and these are the people we choose to lead our country? Is there anyone left in DC with morals?

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Going over 6 million pages of documents for over 3 years...

    Also you complain about they werent interviewed, well on page 35 you will find this: They refused to compel with the investigation. But hey, we should just believe the CIA right? Afterall its not like they didnt lie to the American public, Congress, or tried to spy on Congress during the investigation. We gotta trust the CIA, they are the "objective" ones in this whole shabang..
    Do you know how that emails from only 64 people were requested by the Democrats "to support the review of a program that spanned eight years and spanned hundreds of government employees". (The parenthesis are there because the sentence is contained in one of the reports you refuse to look at).

    Did you know the following (again from the record you refuse to review):

    Committee reviews of this magnitude typically involve interviewing the relevant witnesses. Here, these relevant witnesses were largely unavailable due to the Attorney General's decision to re-open a preliminary criminal review in connection with the interrogation of specific detainees at overseas locations. When DOJ closed this investigation in August 2013, however, the committee had a window of opportunity to invite these relevant witnesses in for interviews, but apparently decided against that course of action. The lack of witness interviews should have been a clear warning flag to all Committee members about the difficulty of completing a truly "comprehensive" review on this subject.


    Perhaps the Democrats should have saved the time and just waved a wand over the 6 million documents and then had the Democrat staff write up their "findings".

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Which links to what? A bunch of CIA employees writing op-eds! Hey! Maybe instead of writing op-eds now maybe when they had a chance to go in front of the senate intelligence committee they should of went... Naaa they instead decided to spy on the committee instead.
    You know, if you want to maintain some shred of credibility, you'd a least visit the site for a half second so it doesn't look so obvious you are clueless about this whole issue.

    Rant on, but it's only impressing the uninformed who embrace that level of knowledge.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Haven't we really known about torture all along?
    And, won't it still be denied in some camps?
    No. We knew there had been a few incidents, where the permitted severity had been over stepped. There was talk of three or four cases. If, and I have just started reading the study, it turns out to be as wide spread the reports are saying, it is no longer a case of a few bad apples. The Administration, Justice, Judges and probably Senators seem to have known that it was going on, endorsed it and lied to the country. All of these things are intolerable in a democracy. If this turns out to be the case, it is far worse than the torture itself, bad as that might be.

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