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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But would you recommend it if it ran contrary to your beliefs?
    As long as it was accurate, yes. I'm open to having my mind changed. But you do have to present actual evidence. In this case, verifiable evidence of success. I can provide two verifiable examples of where it failed us. You should be able to at least match that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh, now you are worried about Objectivity? How does that work with Feinstein's One sided Report and when they admit they didn't speak to any witnesses?
    Going over 6 million pages of documents for over 3 years...

    Also you complain about they werent interviewed, well on page 35 you will find this: They refused to compel with the investigation. But hey, we should just believe the CIA right? Afterall its not like they didnt lie to the American public, Congress, or tried to spy on Congress during the investigation. We gotta trust the CIA, they are the "objective" ones in this whole shabang..


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    what would you accept as evidence?
    Verifiable evidence of torture working. I can give you al Libi and the testimony we got from him was false. This is verifiable. I can provide the innocent taxis driver we killed in Afghanistan during torture. Again, verifiable. I expect you do the same. Not that someone said it worked, but verifiable and that we did not get any other way (in the past some presented what we actually got first before torture).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I understand that completely. In it's most brutal, it is still different.
    Why? Wars are won and lost far from battlefields. If inflicting physical pain (short of death mind you) can save lives, then in my opinion, the right of that person not to suffer physical pain is exceeded by the peoples lives saved to continue living.

    Ultimately, preventing people from dying always is a priority.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm sure it is likely just as objective as the no interview Democrat led review of documents. Perhaps you could take a moment to review the reports linked at the site. I found them an interesting counter to what the Democrats gleaned from their documents only effort.
    See post #232


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Going over 6 million pages of documents for over 3 years...

    Also you complain about they werent interviewed, well on page 35 you will find this: They refused to compel with the investigation. But hey, we should just believe the CIA right? Afterall its not like they didnt lie to the American public, Congress, or tried to spy on Congress during the investigation. We gotta trust the CIA, they are the "objective" ones in this whole shabang..

    See post 205, Peter Baker NY Times.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Why? Wars are won and lost far from battlefields. If inflicting physical pain (short of death mind you) can save lives, then in my opinion, the right of that person not to suffer physical pain is exceeded by the peoples lives saved to continue living.

    Ultimately, preventing people from dying always is a priority.
    Because you have someone not fighting, but capture. Someone without the ability to defend or even try. You have to get another human being to inflict on another in a systematic and cruel way. It's more deliberate. It's more harmful to both the tortured and the person doing the torturing. It lasts with people far more than battle.

    And again, no one is prevented from dying. No evidence of that claim has been presented. It's a myth some simply want to believe.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    See post 205, Peter Baker NY Times.
    Ok... Read the report itself. The CIA told the committee they would not compel with them, wont let anyone be interviewed. This is the CIA telling the committee themselves... Go to page 35 of the report if you dont believe me... They refused to cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committee and instead spied on them...


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    See post #232
    LOL

    Well, dang, that covers it all.

    Remarkable what passes for facts to those who have already decided. Why bother even using the Democrats view of documents in what is in effect a unilateral report?

    I would encourage you to follow those links I referenced, but I suspect your agenda wouldn't allow such an effort to be made.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Well, dang, that covers it all.

    Remarkable what passes for facts to those who have already decided. Why bother even using the Democrats view of documents in what is in effect a unilateral report?

    I would encourage you to follow those links I referenced, but I suspect your agenda wouldn't allow such an effort to be made.
    Yup. Links? You mean Link. The link that is ran by CIA employees, and CIA spies? Are these the same CIA employees that lied to the American public? The Congress? Refused to cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committees report? The same employees that instead of cooperating decided to spy on the Senate Intelligence Committee?


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