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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, you mean you want to link again to other like minded libs crying about an inconvenient fact? go ahead and look as foolish as you want.

    Fact is, war is not won, nor lives saved during it by offering our enemies tea, and crumpets for intel. I suggest that you study up on the D-Day invasion, and the Nazi 19 in the lead up, and educate yourself...When the chips are down, and American lives are on the line, we employ some tough measures....War isn't a board game.
    I mean linking quite clearly that it wasn't so.

    And like a true hack, you offer up something no one has argued we do. But, read the book the gamble and learn from the Generals themselves that we got more intel, better intel, and made progress not with torture,but with other more effective techniques. I linked that for you years ago as well. The book is a good read, so you should pick it up.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I mean linking quite clearly that it wasn't so.

    And like a true hack, you offer up something no one has argued we do. But, read the book the gamble and learn from the Generals themselves that we got more intel, better intel, and made progress not with torture,but with other more effective techniques. I linked that for you years ago as well. The book is a good read, so you should pick it up.
    So, is it a good book because it changed your mind or because it confirmed it?
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Name the facts I am incorrect on.
    That they are verifiable. A couple were proven false, and others not verifiable, only claimed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    You do know don't you that "killing in battle" is not the honorable, fair "clash of warriors" as depicted in television and movies?

    In the modern era, most people "killed in battle" whether they be soldiers or civilians are about as helpless as if they were strapped to a gurney.
    I understand that completely. In it's most brutal, it is still different.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So, is it a good book because it changed your mind or confirmed it?
    Because it is well written and informative.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Then I guess they should have been asked so their reply could have been put into the record for the report.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like I said, let the excuses begin, but the claims are known. What we have is the results. Bottom line, no results to show.
    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    How do you know if they didn't ask.
    It doesn't occur to you that the Senate Dem staffers started with a conclusion and included only what supported it in the report?Otherwise they would have at least tried to make it appear honest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think so. This was pretty clear from the beginning. Remember no one was ever able to say when and where anything ever did anything, and when they did, it proved false. People had to willingly suspend disbelieve to accept torture worked to start with. There was tons of evidence prior to show that it didn't. We had clear examples of where it failed that could be shared, even during this time period (see al Libi).

    Well lookee here ... today from a big time Dem, no less ...

    "I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it."
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    "... The Senate's Intelligence Committee staff chose to interview no one. Their rationale - that some officers were under investigation and could not be made available is not persuasive. Most officers were never under investigation and for those who were, the process ended by 2012. "

    "Fairness should dictate that the examination of documents alone do not eliminate the need for interviews conducted by the investigators. Isolated emails, memos and transcripts can look much different when there is no context or perspective provided by those who sent, received or recorded them."


    "... I do not need to read the report in full to know this: We have not been attacked since and for that I am very grateful. "

    Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That they are verifiable. A couple were proven false, and others not verifiable, only claimed.
    Oh, so you are referring to the Democrats report.

    I was expecting something specific about the reports linked through the site I posted a link to.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because it is well written and informative.
    But would you recommend it if it ran contrary to your beliefs? If it didn't change your opinion can I assume you completed the book without changing your opinion?

    I am just asking because I have done a lot of soul searching over the years and have stopped recommending books I have read that didn't change me because I realize if I didn't come out the other end with a different view point that I started with then most of my opinion on the quality of the read were likely the result of personal bias.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well lookee here ... today from a big time Dem, no less ...

    "I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it."
    ...
    "... The Senate's Intelligence Committee staff chose to interview no one. Their rationale - that some officers were under investigation and could not be made available – is not persuasive. Most officers were never under investigation and for those who were, the process ended by 2012. "

    "Fairness should dictate that the examination of documents alone do not eliminate the need for interviews conducted by the investigators. Isolated emails, memos and transcripts can look much different when there is no context or perspective provided by those who sent, received or recorded them."


    "... I do not need to read the report in full to know this: We have not been attacked since and for that I am very grateful. "

    Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America
    Reduced to quoting people instead of presenting actual evidence. This tactic is always a

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Reduced to quoting people instead of presenting actual evidence. This tactic is always a
    what would you accept as evidence?

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