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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    thank god this is probably the last time anyone will have to listen to another speech from that old bag Pelosi.

    it took the liberals a decade to officially call it torture. congratulations. If the terrorists hit us TOMORROW I hope the CIA does the exact same thing(minus the one death). If they find a suspected terrorists give him the whole "torture" menu. then twice on Sunday.
    It may have taken some of the Democrat centrists in Congress and the Senate this long, but liberals were denouncing use of torture since at least the Neuremberg trials and pushed for the treaties that banned it. Liberals were raising the issue of torture in South Viet Nam in the 1960s, Chile and Argentina in the 1970s and protested at the School of the Americas ( a torture school for the USA's allies) since the 1980s dirty wars in Central America. The ACLU, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have been working to end imprisonment without trial, imprisonment for political views, and the use of torture for decades and have been popular with liberals since the beginning.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    "Extraordinary rendition or irregular rendition is the government sponsored abducting and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one country to another.[1] In the United States President Clinton authorized extraordinary rendition to nations known to practice torture, called torture by proxy.[2] Under the subsequent administration of President George W. Bush, the term became associated with transferring so-called "illegal combatants" (often never charged with any crime) both to other countries for torture by proxy, and to US controlled sites for a torture program called enhanced interrogation.[3][4][5][6] Extraordinary rendition continued with reduced frequency in the Obama administration: those abducted have been interrogated and subsequently taken to the US for trial.[7][8]

    Extraordinary rendition remains a violation of international law and due process. In July 2014 the European Court of Human Rights condemned the government of Poland for participating in CIA extraordinary rendition, ordering Poland to pay restitution to men who had been abducted, taken to a CIA black site in Poland, and tortured.....

    By 2005, critics alleged that torture was used against subjects with the knowledge or acquiescence of the United States (a transfer of anyone to anywhere for the purpose of torture is a violation of US law). In addition, some former detainees claimed to have been transferred to other countries for interrogation under torture, such as the Australian citizen Mahmdouh Habib. In December 2005 Condoleezza Rice (then the United States Secretary of State) stated that:[12]

    “the United States has not transported anyone, and will not transport anyone, to a country when we believe he will be tortured. Where appropriate, the United States seeks assurances that transferred persons will not be tortured."

    The United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) runs a global apprehension and incarceration operation of suspected terrorists, known as “extraordinary rendition”, which began under the Bill Clinton administration and developed further under the George W. Bush administration after the 9/11 attacks. From 2001 to 2005 CIA officers captured an estimated 150 people and transported them around the world.[13][14][15][16]

    Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by the receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the United States and the United Kingdom.
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    "Media coverage has included the nation's leading outlets and resulted in a Pulitzer Prize for exposing controversial features of the government's counterterrorism campaign:

    "Wrongful Imprisonment: Anatomy of a CIA Mistake," by Dana Priest; The Washington Post (December 4, 2005)
    "German's Claim of Kidnapping Brings Investigation of U.S. Link," by Don Van Natta, Jr. and Souad Mekhennet; The New York Times (January 9, 2005)
    "CIA Flying Suspects to Torture?" 60 Minutes (March 6, 2005)
    "Outsourcing Torture," by Jane Mayer; The New Yorker (February 14 and 21, 2005)
    "Aboard Air CIA," by Michael Hirsh, Mark Hosenball and John Barry; Newsweek (February 28, 2005)..."
    https://www.aclu.org/national-securi...#mediacoverage

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is my understanding that Bush put a stop to it before he left the presidency.
    It's my understanding that the only acknowledged instance of "enhanced interrogation" was one prisoner having been waterboarded. From that admission sprung all sorts of denials that waterboarding was torture.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The report didn't call it "torture". Feinstein did not call it "torture". Why are you contradicting the report?
    Feinstein specifically wrote in the report:

    While the Office of Legal Counsel found otherwise between 2002 and 2007, it is my personal conclusion
    that, under any common meaning of the term, CIA detainees were tortured.
    You may disagree with the report, but there it is.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    So, progs...if, per your duplicitous elites, Muslims get all crazed and murdery over an obscure YouTube video...or a Florida preacher's Koran burning will spark murderous mayhem all over the Middle East.....
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's my understanding that the only acknowledged instance of "enhanced interrogation" was one prisoner having been waterboarded. From that admission sprung all sorts of denials that waterboarding was torture.

    I really do not know what I would do when it came to water boarding, speaking as a retired military man. It would probably depend on the situation. If water boarding would save the lives of fellow soldiers or at least the possibility I know I would be very tempted even knowing it was wrong or even if ordered not too.

    It may have all boiled down to what is a fellow soldiers life or lives worth? Luckily I never had to make that decision.

    Did it saves lives? Only those involved and knowing what intel was learned and how acurate can answer that question.
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's my understanding that the only acknowledged instance of "enhanced interrogation" was one prisoner having been waterboarded. From that admission sprung all sorts of denials that waterboarding was torture.
    Oh here is a very surprising article:

    Americans Have Grown More Supportive Of Torture

    Americans Have Grown More Supportive Of Torture | FiveThirtyEight
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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    There are links in the site linked below to reports countering the claims made in the Democrats review of documents. Appears to be a rather thorough review of facts and context. Perhaps the Democrats should have applied similar standards to their effort.

    CIASavedLives
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    Exclusive: Former Spies Launch

    More spin by the CIA.


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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's always been the contention of the liberal left like yourself Joe...Nothing has changed with this highly partisan, and politically timed report. The report means nothing, they just did it to endanger CIA lives, because they hate them, they always have.
    No, the purpose of this report is to expose a government organization which snatched, detained, tortured, and murdered people in the shadows and lied to the President, Congress, their own Inspector General, and the American people about it for years. The only highly partisan aspect of the release of these facts is the opposition to it. I find it hard to believe that any conservative actually believes that any arm of the State should be permitted to operate this way.

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    Re: Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That is never going to happen.
    Especially given the fact that the US has said, straight up, if any of it's people go the Hague, we will invade the Netherlands. U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law | Human Rights Watch Dutch still wincing at Bush-era 'Invasion of The Hague Act' - CSMonitor.com On 'The Hague Invasion Act'
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