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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    When you lock them up for 14 years without trial, its foolish to think that hate does not grow within them. I think its fair to expect they might return to harm us. We never should have treated that way in the first place.

    Gitmo might have been Al Qaeda's number #1 recruiting tool (that and Iraq). Foolish is as foolish does. Glad to see that the era of America behaving badly is winding down, albeit way too late. It was hard to laud the Marines for dying for our freedoms so US citizens could give up their freedoms so they would not die. The last decade was truly a dark period in US political history.

    Senate torture report restarts fight on terror policy - CNN.com

    Maybe one day the world will forgive us and we can once again claim a moral high ground.
    Interesting. The Gitmo prison was set up in 2002 and since then we've had no Al Qaeda attacks on this country. We invaded Iraq in 2002 and since then we've had no Al Qaeda attacks on this country.

    Prior to 2002 we had 2 very large Al Qaeda attacks on this country, and Al Qaeda operatives spending years in this country plotting the death of Americans and destruction of our cities/buildings/infrastructure. What was the #1 recruiting tool that was used then?
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Many of the people detained at GITMO weren't captured on a battlefield and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They were purchased by the U.S. military from bounty hunters who were kidnapping civilians and selling them to the U.S. as "terrorists" for $5,000 a head no questions asked.
    Where is this info from? First time hearing it.
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Where is this info from? First time hearing it.
    Here is one report from Amnesty about the bounty progam.

    More than 85 percent of detainees at Guantanamo Bay were arrested, not on the Afghanistan battlefield by US forces, but by the Northern Alliance fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and in Pakistan at a time when rewards of up to US$5,000 were paid for every 'terrorist' turned over to the United States.
    Bounties paid for terror suspects - Amnesty International Australia

    That I believe that this have been one of the biggest problem with the war on terror. That when you have a soo clear evil that caused thousands of civilian Americans their life, when it's easy just labeling all the prisoners in Gitmo as evil terrorists that don't deserve trials and don't deserve a good treatment. Leading to no check and balance of the action of USA goverment and thereby imprisonment of innocent people for over a decade.
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Actually, a 30% recidivism rate is about half of the one we have here in the U.S. Small sample size regarding Gitmo, but still.

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    Like so many things in life, it all depends on how one looks at things. One's perspective. A soldier knows if 10 Gitmo detainees are released, 3 will return and try to kill him for a second time. When one of those 30% returnees to the battlefield kills an American soldier, an allied soldier, even an Afghani civilian or someone else, who is responsible for his death? The returnee or the one who let him free?

    As for the civilian world, I never looked at jails, prisons as places of trying to change one's behavior or an re-education camp, there is a word I am looking for here and I can think of it. I always looked at jails, prisons etc. as a place that keep robbers, drug dealers, murders, etc. off the street so they won't be doing what they did again or at least until their sentence is up.

    Same with the death penalty, it guarantees who ever was put to death will not kill anyone anymore.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Very bad analogy. WWII was a real war with a definable enemy, people in uniform, a declaration of war against a real political entity and most importantly, a real and definable "victory" (an end point), which occurred within 5 years of our involvement. All most none of those attributes are true here.

    The "war on terror" is much more like the "war on drugs", where everything is ambiguous. You can't just decide some guy is a threat to you and give him a life sentence. If you can not define victory, you do not have a real war, and you have no business acting like it is.

    ...as to your direct question, virtually all WWII prisoners of war were "charged" with being soldiers (with serial numbers and uniforms) of the enemy. There was little "surprise" on their part when they were interned.
    How many barbary pirates were charged?
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Glad to see that the era of America behaving badly is winding down, albeit way too late.
    After all it's so much cheaper, more civilized and socially acceptable to just blow them up with a drone strike. That way if you take out their wives, children, family & friends at the same time it's a bonus! Think of it as being merciful... when the peace President kills a bunch of them at a time then there will be fewer people left behind to feel sorry for them. Plus ---- Al Qaeda won't use that as a recruiting tool. Right? (gosh... I hope that was the right guy!?! )

    Or maybe, we should just treat them like they would treat us.
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many barbary pirates were charged?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many of the prisoners we took during WW2 were charged wit anything?
    Keep moving them goalposts apdst, never give up! Just move on to the next red herring! Maybe if you go back far enough, you can even figure out a way to justify slavery!
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, what's being claimed is that those people have a reason to be pissed, and those claiming it aren't necessarily wrong.
    And my point is, simply, that civilized people who are pissed, for whatever reason, don't go on a murderous rampage to avenge their perceived wrong.
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Actually, a 30% recidivism rate is about half of the one we have here in the U.S. Small sample size regarding Gitmo, but still.

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    I'm curious - do you know how much of that supposed 60% recidivism rate for US prisoners is related to non-violent drug offenses or the Eric Garner types, arrested 31 times and out on bail when he was again arrested and died in the process? In America, the ones who would cause trouble if released are never released from prison.
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    Re: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    About damn time. Finally more and more prisoners who have not been charged with anything, and have been cleared to release have finally been released. Good move, and this facility is long overdue to be closed. Its a stain on America. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I am afraid that it is not at all as simple as you imply. I followed the release of a gitmo inmate to Germany a few years ago. Bush had offered his release to Schröder and Fischer, but they turned it down for over two years, while decrying guantanamo as inhuman. Only after after an extended period were they willing to bend to the man's lawyer's arguments.

    Another issue i looked at was the repatriation program study from Saudi Arabia. A majority of the participants in the program returned to terrorist activities within two years. This was true in spite of massive financial support and an extensive reintegration program.

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