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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    “You in essence have the citizens who want to be protected who are now are increasingly afraid of the police and you have some police officers who are increasingly afraid of the community,” the mayor said “There is a large gap in that context, so it is about training. People need the police to protect them.”

    Nutter added, “I support my police officers back in Philadelphia. This is a dangerous job. They interact with really bad people.
    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid Of The Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?




    I don't need the police to protect me, so I'm kind of indifferent.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    I don't need the police to protect me, so I'm kind of indifferent.
    I suspect you don't live in Ferguson.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid Of The Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid Of The Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?
    What would be wrong with assigning black officers to black neighborhoods? We've been preached to that, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!" if they're white officers in a black neighborhood. And, if we were to assign black officers to black neighborhoods? We'd be hearing, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!"

    I don't think we fully understand what happens to officers who are hit with the charges that Ferguson's cop was hit with. Their lives are ruined.

    If black neighborhoods don't trust white cops? Don't put white cops in the street.

    I've been watching COPS this morning while on computer. Almost every single arrest, white or black, the perp is yelling, "I can't breath! OMG! I have allergies! I have a back injury! You're killin' me, man!" Saw one guy (white) get arrested after a foot chase and being tased that, when escorted in cuffs to the patrol car for transport, banged his head against the roof of the squad car hard enough that he could've knocked himself out. Just a little insurance, I'd imagine. Apparently he was too stupid to know there were two TV cameras pointed at him at the time.

    It's a huge problem. I don't know the solution. But I wouldn't be a cop today for nuthin'.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
    That cant happen until we get rid of those unions

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
    The point is, a very high percentage of that 98 percent don't want anything to do with patrolling Ferguson for fear of what will happen if they have to shoot a black suspect.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
    What about the neighborhoods where crime is rampant? Shouldn't the "98%" of the good people in those neighborhoods get rid of the bad crooks in their neighborhood instead of adhering to THEIR code of silence - not ratting out people?

    It's a two way street. People can't demand police protection and then get all up in arms when bad people are shot for attacking, not complying with orders to lay down and instead charge a police officer - or in the NYC case, not complying and getting tackled when they know they have medical issues that would put them in danger.

    Cops can't be held to higher standard than the average citizen, when the average citizen is armed just like the cops, and has a protective system around them where the majority of people in the neighborhood will not help the police and point out the bad guys. Both should be held to the law. As of right now, only cops are being attacked and accused of not being held to the law - which is not true.

    If the neighborhoods would point and say "there he is... that's the guy" then cops wouldn't have to profile, because they would know EXACTLY who to go after. As it is now, the cops have to suspect anyone that fits a number of profiles for a potential criminal.

    Want to stop the profiling? Stop the protection of criminals by the law abiding good people. Until then, with cops getting drug before Grand Juries or being charged by prosecutors because of civilian outrage when they are just doing their job protecting us, the cops may just let those in the crime riddled areas just fend for themselves - they want to protect the bad guys and refuse to point them out, then learn to live with them without police protection.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
    You make that sound really easy but most abusive practices are subtle and defensible. What do you do when your partner bounces some asshole's head off the pavement? He says that the suspect tried to escape and tripped so what are you left with? It becomes a he said/he said situation with no upside for you. Beside that, what you might consider to be excessive could easily be considered to be necessary for someone else. Just because you have mad ninja skills and can sweet talk a PCP freak into a civilized game of chess doesn't mean that everyone else can.

    In my experience the cops that complain most about their fellow cops abusing their authority are the ones who simply don't have the emotional capacity to do the job. There are, no doubt, some "war heroes" that cause more trouble than they stop but they generally don't last too long.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    I suspect you don't live in Ferguson.


    Nope, I do not live in Ferguson, where police and national guard failed to prevent the looting and arson of dozens of local businesses.



    Lots of black folks around here though. They have enough sense not to riot and burn stuff down, however.


    Granted, it was an off the cuff remark and meant to be a bit spikey. The police are somewhat useful sometimes, but I do not and never have depended on them to protect me. SCOTUS has determined that they are not responsible for my protection, you know.

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