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Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

Money is a big reason, especially when efficiency is taken into account. Hit the areas that see the most friction between cops and blacks, and you'll solve this issue without having to waste money.

bu this kind of stuff is everywhere. it might be more concentrated in the cities, but even in rural areas, there are people who got arrested and claim police brutality.
 
What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.

Lets be honest... the community's faith in their police department goes as far as their nightly CNN tells them to let it go.

Many departments can have a full crew doing the right thing all the time, and then some incident like the past few show up and ruin it for them because people start acting out against the police department due to **** that happened halfway across the ****in' map.

It is both pathetic but true. And, unfortunately, mostly outside of the control of the local department.
 
What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.

Stop right there please. If a 'good' cop is covering for a bad cop, that immediately turns that 'good' cop into a bad cop as they are being complicit in protecting the bad cop.

Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who are Increasingly Afraid of the Community’ « CBS St. Louis



This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?

The quote you cited and what you said after literally do not go together. May be people are afraid of the cops because they know that the cops can kill them and probably won't get indicted or face at least a trial.
 
What if I am a white cop and I want to work in primarily black communities? What if I am a black cop and I want to work in primarily white communities? Why would I want to be assigned duty based on the color of my skin? If black cops work exclusively in black communities, why would then not want black supervisors and why would black supervisors not want a black chief? The overarching question is why do we still have separate black and white communities?

Agreed. It really isn't about the race of the cop, but rather how the cops interact with people.
 
What are you talking about? The post said:



I don't know of anyone advocating for segregation, so that's a straw man. You are making up what people want to make your opinion look better.

Yeah, that's my opinion derived from years of experience more than you on this earth. Sorry you don't like it....But that is what I observe.
 
Because you have to skirt the Constitution to do what you want, leaving that hole open for all sorts of future abuse. And that's just the first hurdle. Do you seriously believe the NSA won't have access to the daily camera take? Really? How is this different than adding a million drones to the public sector filming 24/7/365? Then there's the who's going to pay question. Federal mandates to the states will only come with insufficient startup funding. A year down the line, county and city budgets that are already stretched to the breaking will be well and truly broken. What sort of tradeoffs in policing does that create? It won't be pretty.



They could sell their MRAP armored vehicles they don't need to maintain, that would be a good start. :)
 
bu this kind of stuff is everywhere. it might be more concentrated in the cities, but even in rural areas, there are people who got arrested and claim police brutality.

Well this is where it boils down to what you think the real issue is: is police brutality the issue you are trying to cut down on, or supposed racism among the police force? I think you could do a lot to address police brutality this way, but the race thing can't be proven true or untrue so not amount of money spent is going to fix that issue. Honestly, even if we had video evidence of the Brown case, we'd still of had everything that we have now and you know why I can be so sure? Because even after all the facts of the case come out, people are still claiming that to be a race issue and continuing to spread outright lies (like the hand up, don't shoot nonsense.)
 
Well this is where it boils down to what you think the real issue is: is police brutality the issue you are trying to cut down on, or supposed racism among the police force? I think you could do a lot to address police brutality this way, but the race thing can't be proven true or untrue so not amount of money spent is going to fix that issue. Honestly, even if we had video evidence of the Brown case, we'd still of had everything that we have now and you know why I can be so sure? Because even after all the facts of the case come out, people are still claiming that to be a race issue and continuing to spread outright lies (like the hand up, don't shoot nonsense.)

i'm not sure how i'm being unclear, but i'll try to clarify further.

there are many, many he said she said incidents at point of arrest, and not just between black people and white cops. there are tons of accusations concerning the behavior of officers. some are true, and some aren't. this is why we need video documentation. there are already cameras on some patrol cars, and they have proved useful in determining what happens during traffic stops. we should put cameras on the officers so that we can prevent incidents like Ferguson. had the officer in that case been wearing a camera, we would know if he was being attacked when he fired the shots.

do you understand what i'm saying now?
 
Cameras will do as much to protect cops from false accusations as they will to protect citizens from abusive policing. They're a good idea.
 
i'm not sure how i'm being unclear, but i'll try to clarify further.

there are many, many he said she said incidents at point of arrest, and not just between black people and white cops. there are tons of accusations concerning the behavior of officers. some are true, and some aren't. this is why we need video documentation. there are already cameras on some patrol cars, and they have proved useful in determining what happens during traffic stops. we should put cameras on the officers so that we can prevent incidents like Ferguson. had the officer in that case been wearing a camera, we would know if he was being attacked when he fired the shots.

do you understand what i'm saying now?

I understand, I'm just saying that even with the video evidence, most blacks would still not believe it. And you know why? Because most have already decided the cops are just racist, or at the least, there is a different set of rules. I think if the issue is just police brutality, then I'm all in. But that's sadly not what the issue is here. Overall I support the move, but I don't think it helps with the racial tension.
 
I understand, I'm just saying that even with the video evidence, most blacks would still not believe it. And you know why? Because most have already decided the cops are just racist, or at the least, there is a different set of rules. I think if the issue is just police brutality, then I'm all in. But that's sadly not what the issue is here. Overall I support the move, but I don't think it helps with the racial tension.

it won't solve that aspect of it. that is going to take time, and a lot of it.
 
Police overestimate their importance to the protection of communities. They exaggerate the dangers of their jobs.

Furthermore when you actually do need police it takes them forever to show up because they were too busy pulling someone over for not wearing a seat-belt or showing up with 6 officers because some dude was selling cigarettes on the streets.

Seriously that dude is soooo misguided. Police do NOT stop crime for the most part. Mostly all they do is show up and right a report or a ticket. I cant believe he honestly thinks that it would magically degrade into chaos. Cops do not stop crime. They show up after its done unless the criminal is really, really stupid. Hell wild, wild west might actually be better. Then everyone would have a personal gun and could actively stop crime. Police are becoming and entiled prestige cast of society and you could argue they are hurting cities more than helping. I would exaggerate that 99% of a cops job is collecting money for the city and less than 1% actually actively halt a crime.

Funny that he thinks a police force is the only thing keeping people from turning into roaming bands of evil marauders.
 
Agreed. It really isn't about the race of the cop, but rather how the cops interact with people.

The hell it isn't about the race of the cop and the race of the perp/victim.
 
:shrug:

I don't need the police to protect me, so I'm kind of indifferent.

Better the police be afraid then law abiding citizens, in my book.
 
Seriously that dude is soooo misguided. Police do NOT stop crime for the most part. Mostly all they do is show up and right a report or a ticket. I cant believe he honestly thinks that it would magically degrade into chaos. Cops do not stop crime. They show up after its done unless the criminal is really, really stupid. Hell wild, wild west might actually be better. Then everyone would have a personal gun and could actively stop crime. Police are becoming and entiled prestige cast of society and you could argue they are hurting cities more than helping. I would exaggerate that 99% of a cops job is collecting money for the city and less than 1% actually actively halt a crime.

Funny that he thinks a police force is the only thing keeping people from turning into roaming bands of evil marauders.

This is the type of response you get when you ask someone who doesn't know a ****ing thing about law enforcement except the fact that they stole his weed a few times to give an assessment of the purpose of law enforcement in an area.

Whoaaaah duuudeee.
 
Better the police be afraid then law abiding citizens, in my book.



Well... sorta maybe, in a general sense that gov should fear The People and not the other way around... but also not so much, because a frightened armed man is a scary thing to be around. More likely to overreact and shoot.

Maybe all these training vids they watch these days is making them overly paranoid?
 
Well... sorta maybe, in a general sense that gov should fear The People and not the other way around... but also not so much, because a frightened armed man is a scary thing to be around. More likely to overreact and shoot.

Maybe all these training vids they watch these days is making them overly paranoid?

True, I was erring on the side of caution.
 
Well... sorta maybe, in a general sense that gov should fear The People and not the other way around... but also not so much, because a frightened armed man is a scary thing to be around. More likely to overreact and shoot.

Maybe all these training vids they watch these days is making them overly paranoid?

Its not the training vids...

Its the "scenario training". At least where I worked our scenario training, which continued after we left academy on a yearly basis, was constructed and played out in a manner in which the officer is ALWAYS going to be wrong by failing to take some safety precaution or suspect one of the role players as a threat. They have officers getting shot by soccer moms, by abused spouses, by the freaking gas station clerk who called in a robbery. Not saying these are impossible scenarios. But that type of training on a regular basis helps to keep officers in a paranoid state of mind where anyone could potentially be "the enemy".

There are those who take that **** to heart, and there were those who just shrugged it off as other fellow officers feeling the need to justify their existence at the academy full time instead of being on the street with everyone else by making impossible scenarios and then feeling entitled to give a 10 minute lecture on officer safety (paranoia).
 
I've only seen East St. Louis from across the river. I see no compelling reason to visit there.

Visiting would give a person the gist of what a community looks like after manufacturing jobs lost to foreign countries.
 
Visiting would give a person the gist of what a community looks like after manufacturing jobs lost to foreign countries.

I can visit a similar bad area not too far away. Almost always, a community of Obama-lovers has allowed the criminal element to run free in such areas and ruin it.
 
I can visit a similar bad area not too far away. Almost always, a community of Obama-lovers has allowed the criminal element to run free in such areas and ruin it.

Obama lovers? running free? :roll:
 
Obama lovers: aka liberal democrats

Running free: not being disciplined or not serving time in jail.

What about liberal republicans? Possibly once Obama lovers?

Running free? there's a few in my state, they stole something, committed some kind of fraud, something minor, the judges here fine them, the DOC puts them in rehabilitation housing, and they must keep their noses out of trouble. Jail time? some serve a few days, some serve a month or two, depends on the severity of the offense committed.

The running free scenario has been going on since the beginning of time, there's not enough jail space to incarcerate all the running free people.

In 1975, while delivering pizzas to make extra money, my car was stolen with a snapon tool box full of mechanics tools in it, Chicago police never caught the people who did it. I forgot, and forgave pretty quickly.

In 2005, my apartment was broken into, a digital camera was stolen, keepsake silver bullion pieces were stolen, jewelry was taken, cash was stolen, a dvd player and movies were taken, police never caught the thieves, oh well, I got over it.

what are you not over? Obama's reelection? did someone commit a crime against you or your property? you sound like you have an ax to grind against people. is it eating you up inside?
 
What about liberal republicans? Possibly once Obama lovers?

Running free? there's a few in my state, they stole something, committed some kind of fraud, something minor, the judges here fine them, the DOC puts them in rehabilitation housing, and they must keep their noses out of trouble. Jail time? some serve a few days, some serve a month or two, depends on the severity of the offense committed.

The running free scenario has been going on since the beginning of time, there's not enough jail space to incarcerate all the running free people.

In 1975, while delivering pizzas to make extra money, my car was stolen with a snapon tool box full of mechanics tools in it, Chicago police never caught the people who did it. I forgot, and forgave pretty quickly.

In 2005, my apartment was broken into, a digital camera was stolen, keepsake silver bullion pieces were stolen, jewelry was taken, cash was stolen, a dvd player and movies were taken, police never caught the thieves, oh well, I got over it.

what are you not over? Obama's reelection? did someone commit a crime against you or your property? you sound like you have an ax to grind against people. is it eating you up inside?

I have had some major funds cheated out of me by fraud---but my major ax to grind is with the both the people who commit violent crimes and those in power who believe this is no big deal.

Certainly this is no more evident than the current Thug-huggers, the ones rioting, marching in the streets and chanting "Dead cops."
 
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