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Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

ok. let's unconstitutionally put the ****ing cameras on the ****ing cops.

I know I'm an anarchist and all, but as long as the government is going to exist upholding the law is kind of important to me.
 
I know I'm an anarchist and all, but as long as the government is going to exist upholding the law is kind of important to me.

well, i hope that you eventually find a regulation passed by congress that is sufficiently constitutional to pass your muster. until then, this problem needs to be dealt with. there is just too much of this kind of thing happening, and it's impossible to know who is telling the truth.
 
Not at all, I have been on point since the beginning. I stated that the opinions of cops should be taken with a grain of salt just like those of the military. :shrug: You seem to have taken issue with the part that crime wasn't rising. I challenged you to step up like a man and debate your ideas. You've been running every post since.



So, no debate? ;)

Step up like a man on the internet, LOL. The perfect summary of a liberal.
 
Not in the mood.

Do you stalk your women like this, too?

Women? Happily married. The best part is that I've made you look like the intellectually deficient debater that you are and I didn't even have to work up a sweat. :) Now move along, we've got no time for those who put their cowardice on full display. :)
 
requiring cameras on officers creates a worse problem? how does that work?

Because you have to skirt the Constitution to do what you want, leaving that hole open for all sorts of future abuse. And that's just the first hurdle. Do you seriously believe the NSA won't have access to the daily camera take? Really? How is this different than adding a million drones to the public sector filming 24/7/365? Then there's the who's going to pay question. Federal mandates to the states will only come with insufficient startup funding. A year down the line, county and city budgets that are already stretched to the breaking will be well and truly broken. What sort of tradeoffs in policing does that create? It won't be pretty.
 
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What would be wrong with assigning black officers to black neighborhoods? We've been preached to that, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!" if they're white officers in a black neighborhood. And, if we were to assign black officers to black neighborhoods? We'd be hearing, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!"

I don't think we fully understand what happens to officers who are hit with the charges that Ferguson's cop was hit with. Their lives are ruined.

If black neighborhoods don't trust white cops? Don't put white cops in the street.

I've been watching COPS this morning while on computer. Almost every single arrest, white or black, the perp is yelling, "I can't breath! OMG! I have allergies! I have a back injury! You're killin' me, man!" Saw one guy (white) get arrested after a foot chase and being tased that, when escorted in cuffs to the patrol car for transport, banged his head against the roof of the squad car hard enough that he could've knocked himself out. Just a little insurance, I'd imagine. Apparently he was too stupid to know there were two TV cameras pointed at him at the time.

It's a huge problem. I don't know the solution. But I wouldn't be a cop today for nuthin'.
The fatal flaw in that logic- there just aren't enough black cops. And that isn't likely to change. what black kid would want to be a cop when he is growing up in a culture that demonizes the police?

In these last two incidents, it is rare to see any black person defend the cops or even put any blame at all on the black males involved.
 
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Women? Happily married. The best part is that I've made you look like the intellectually deficient debater that you are and I didn't even have to work up a sweat. :) Now move along, we've got no time for those who put their cowardice on full display. :)

You've done nothing of the sort, but live in your make-believe world and go on hating all those that make your pathetic life safe and free of worry. Yet another of our nation's unapologetic leeches that bitch and produce nothing. So sad that this is where you have to simulate your sense of self worth.
 
Because you have to skirt the Constitution to do what you want, leaving that hole open for all sorts of future abuse. And that's just the first hurdle. Do you seriously believe the NSA won't have access to the daily camera take? Really? How is this different than adding a million drones to the public sector filming 24/7/365? Then there's the who's going to pay question. Federal mandates to the states will only come with insufficient startup funding. A year down the line, county and city budgets that are already stretched to the breaking will be well and truly broken. What sort of tradeoffs in policing does that create? It won't be pretty.

dude, the NSA ALREADY has access to everything through cell phones. now THAT is unconstitutional.

and i don't believe for a ****ing second that OSHA or any of that **** is unconstitutional. congress can pass ****ing bills that become law when the president signs them. ****, even the founding fathers did **** that is much more unconstitutional than passing a law that says cops have to wear cameras so that there's a record of what happened at point of arrest, and to prevent cities from getting burned down because no one knows what the **** happened. i'll tell you, John Adams is damned lucky that there weren't message boards back then.
 
Sure they do...Don't kid yourself...And it's not a strawman...I didn't claim that anyone here argued that.

I haven't seen any reports of people wanting to reinstate segregation anywhere.
 
Btw, how do you hire for that and not run afoul of just about every anti-discrimination law on the books?

I don't see a problem with it. If the government and courts can segregate us into majority black districts, majority Hispanics districts and tell us that white can't represent blacks and Hispanics, heck we even have one majority Asian district why can't the police force be the same way. Only blacks can police black communities and whites white communities, Hispanics Hispanic communities and Asians Asian communities.

Call it affirmative action policing.
 
Oh, you want a report on my opinion? Wow, I had no idea you thought I was so important....

What are you talking about? The post said:

No, they want the segregation, they just don't want the man to tell them they have to.

I don't know of anyone advocating for segregation, so that's a straw man. You are making up what people want to make your opinion look better.
 
There certainly are race baitors out there that magnify the problem....absolutely. But I also don't think is fair to characterize the communities as "not willing to work with the police force". For many years I lived in the West Adams Area of Los Angeles, a historic area technically at the far nothern end of South Central. We had lots of crime issues, but by and large the community was extremely supportive of the police and didn't harbor criminals...and in my experience most have good relationships with the police and believe MOST of the police are good cops, not racists. But there are definitely cops in the area that manufacture "probable cause" on a daily basis to stop and frisk for no reason. This is what pisses people off. The cops can say that they are doing so for all the right reasons, but when you disrespect a community in the name of keep the community safer, you are going to have blowback.

And I don't mean to imply that the fault is on the community, honestly I think it's more a 50/50 split to be honest. Because you have a lot of neighborhoods where the police won't patrol in some of these neighborhood because quite frankly, they fear for their lives. But the police have to be the one to make that first step. This relationship has to start with police making an effort in the community to get to know the individuals. What's sad is that, I don't think a cop is able to do what he needs to, especially in places like Englewood in Chicago. And that is to walk the streets and mingle. A cop does that in Englewood right now and he's a statistic by the end of the week.
 
That infographic really steers in the wrong direction. It implies that the violence in Chicago is the result of gang-activity, which it isn't really. "Gangs" as you would traditional define them are your Latin Kings, Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, etc., etc. The big groups of organized criminals that deal drugs, pimp or what have you. In Chicago that doesn't really exist anymore, because the CPD has been incredibly effective in cleaning it up. It's almost non-existent now to the levels that it used to be.

Instead what is driving crime and Chicago's homicides are teenagers (which the infographic does indicates) that have formed 'gangs' that are more resembling of high-school cliques than actual gangs. The fights aren't over who get to deal crack where, but rather it's over high school drama, relationships, petty crime and who's dissing each other on Twitter that ends up turning into shootings and revenge killings. The police aren't able to control that type of behavior like they were able to do with "big gangs."

It's not a video game.

To your first part, I do know there are some major gangs in Chicago, but I'll be the first to admit I don't know the intricacies of the day to day shootings that I'm sure someone from Chicago knows more than I. So on that point, I'll defer to you until I can do the proper research.

As far as that last comment, this sort of situation has been done on many occasions across the country. Some communities, especially ones where police aren't able to perform their duties due to budget cuts, have gone so far as to hire private security outfits to come in and help secure the area. What I'm proposing is simply giving the members of the community a more active role in defending their homes and families. Because the police clearly aren't able to handle the job.
 
The 300 million, if it comes at all, will be in the form of grants and will not fund the programs continuing on. My home county fell for that a couple times. Took federal grants to hire new officers. A year later, the federal funding was gone and the layoffs began.

These are two different issues though. I mean if you pay for a camera, you own the camera and don't have to worry about having to pay to keep that camera every year.
 
yeah, i think the cameras should be on all police officers. enough of this ****. it protects both sides, and is just a common sense solution. i don't see any reason not to do it.

Money is a big reason, especially when efficiency is taken into account. Hit the areas that see the most friction between cops and blacks, and you'll solve this issue without having to waste money.
 
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