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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes. The commerce clause was to keep trade regular, not to allow the federal government to regulate the workplace.
    ensuring basic labor rights is a valid government role. i'm with you on the commerce clause abuse stuff, but come on. the federal government can pass laws for the workplace.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    And this is one of the main problems with the nanny types. You're more than willing to solve a problem by creating a worse one.
    requiring cameras on officers creates a worse problem? how does that work?

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    ensuring basic labor rights is a valid government role. i'm with you on the commerce clause abuse stuff, but come on. the federal government can pass laws for the workplace.
    How can they pass laws on the workplace? They can pass laws to keep trade open between the states, but I don't see how that would lead to workplace safety or basic labor rights.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who are Increasingly Afraid of the Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?
    Imagine the outrage when move police offices who are black end up dying because they are in the more dangerous areas. That will be pinned on the police as well rather than on the people who killed them. The whole premise of police departments being racist to begin with is a red herring. Minorities are not excluded simply for being minorities, it is that fewer minorities go for those positions. If we were to weight hiring to lean further toward minorities for window dressing it would stand to reason that race would overshadow ability and the outcome would be a lesser force.

    Instead, we need to send Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson packing and address the real issue without flinching from the race baiters. While there is a percentage of law enforcement that behaves inappropriately the biggest part of the problem is black culture, and the biggest part of that is the dissolution of the black family. The government certainly bears some blame for that, but they are not going to fix it. The community has to do that.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Tell that to those living in Chicago:
    That infographic really steers in the wrong direction. It implies that the violence in Chicago is the result of gang-activity, which it isn't really. "Gangs" as you would traditional define them are your Latin Kings, Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, etc., etc. The big groups of organized criminals that deal drugs, pimp or what have you. In Chicago that doesn't really exist anymore, because the CPD has been incredibly effective in cleaning it up. It's almost non-existent now to the levels that it used to be.

    Instead what is driving crime and Chicago's homicides are teenagers (which the infographic does indicates) that have formed 'gangs' that are more resembling of high-school cliques than actual gangs. The fights aren't over who get to deal crack where, but rather it's over high school drama, relationships, petty crime and who's dissing each other on Twitter that ends up turning into shootings and revenge killings. The police aren't able to control that type of behavior like they were able to do with "big gangs."

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    I've always been an advocate of getting the community more involved with some sort of neighborhood watch program that was designed to work in conjunction with the local citizens in giving them the equipment and training to defend their homes. Especially in Chicago where to get this under control, you have to have the community work with you. I'd actually be curious to hear what Chicago Blacks think of the police force there.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How can they pass laws on the workplace? They can pass laws to keep trade open between the states, but I don't see how that would lead to workplace safety or basic labor rights.
    well, like many laws, congress could present a bill that requires the ****ing cameras, and then the president could sign it. how about that?

    i had forgotten how little i enjoy this libertarian "everything is unconstitutional" ****. i didn't enjoy it that much even when i was one. stick to rolling back the drug war and the war on terror, because no one is going to agree with you that there shouldn't be any workplace regulations. that's just ****ing nonsense.

    anyway, i don't care. just require the ****ing cameras. it needs to be done, and it's going to be done. it will help the police and the people being arrested. if we leave it to the states, some of them will **** around and not pass it, and we'll have a hodgepodge of states where this **** is still going on. just get it done.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But a lot of this has nothing to do what. I mean if you listen to people like Sharpton, they'll tell you it's about race, and that the cops are just racist. And when you have communities that believe such, their not willing to work with the police force. Hell, there's a lto of good white cops, but for the average black, just think of him as some racist white cop coming into the neighborhood.
    There certainly are race baitors out there that magnify the problem....absolutely. But I also don't think is fair to characterize the communities as "not willing to work with the police force". For many years I lived in the West Adams Area of Los Angeles, a historic area technically at the far nothern end of South Central. We had lots of crime issues, but by and large the community was extremely supportive of the police and didn't harbor criminals...and in my experience most have good relationships with the police and believe MOST of the police are good cops, not racists. But there are definitely cops in the area that manufacture "probable cause" on a daily basis to stop and frisk for no reason. This is what pisses people off. The cops can say that they are doing so for all the right reasons, but when you disrespect a community in the name of keep the community safer, you are going to have blowback.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, like many laws, congress could present a bill that requires the ****ing cameras, and then the president could sign it. how about that?

    i had forgotten how little i enjoy this libertarian "everything is unconstitutional" ****. i didn't enjoy it that much even when i was one. stick to rolling back the drug war and the war on terror, because no one is going to agree with you that there shouldn't be any workplace regulations. that's just ****ing nonsense.

    anyway, i don't care. just require the ****ing cameras. it needs to be done, and it's going to be done. it will help the police and the people being arrested. if we leave it to the states, some of them will **** around and not pass it, and we'll have a hodgepodge of states where this **** is still going on. just get it done.
    Ah. Well, fortunately, other people (not least the states and localities that would have standing via the burden placed on them) do tend to care about things being Constitutional or not.

    Even if something is a good idea, that doesn't mean that Congress has the right to mandate it. The closest they can come is tying federal streams of funding to police forces to it, similar to the drinking age and road funding.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. Well, fortunately, other people (not least the states and localities that would have standing via the burden placed on them) do tend to care about things being Constitutional or not.

    Even if something is a good idea, that doesn't mean that Congress has the right to mandate it. The closest they can come is tying federal streams of funding to police forces to it, similar to the drinking age and road funding.
    whatever it takes. this problem is so solvable. solve it.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, like many laws, congress could present a bill that requires the ****ing cameras, and then the president could sign it. how about that?
    That would be illegal. The police are a state matter that has nothing to do with the federal government.

    i had forgotten how little i enjoy this libertarian "everything is unconstitutional" ****. i didn't enjoy it that much even when i was one. stick to rolling back the drug war and the war on terror, because no one is going to agree with you that there shouldn't be any workplace regulations. that's just ****ing nonsense.
    I didn't even make that argument. Our discussion is about federal authority, not the existence of workplace regulations in general. No one really agrees with libertarians on the drug war or the war on terror either. When was the last time a liberal argued for legalizing some drug without taxes, licensing, and government regulation? Was the last time liberals or conservatives for that matter agreed with non-intervention? Liberals support creating a legal channel of buying and selling pot, but they are still very much in agreement with busting people for buying and selling them in unapproved ways.
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