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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Any protection they might offer is by chance, not by design.
    Since they enforce laws designed to protect people, that is false. Further, their presence is a deterrent.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since they enforce laws designed to protect people, that is false. Further, their presence is a deterrent.
    What laws are on the books designed to protect people? Do understand the difference between protecting someone and punishing murders and rapists? I get the feeling you don't.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You shouldn't listen to people like Sharpton. You shouldn't listen to people like Bartley either.

    Not being a black person I don't know what the average black person thinks "of some white cop coming into the neighborhood". Are you black? Do you live in a primarily black community? If you are and you do I have a few questions for you. If you aren't I wonder then how it is that you feel qualified to make the statements you make.
    I'm white, but I have lived with in those neighborhoods with my mother for a time and then later on working at shelters in the area. I know police officers, some are assholes (especially younger ones) but most are okay. My brother has lived in that area most of his life and him and his friend has been stopped by cops plenty of times and questioned when their out walking. In these areas, it's not about being black or white, especially in the ones that a high in crime. But I have a black friend who walks to my place (different part of town) and he don't get stopped because the area is nicer. Hell he even wears a hoodie too.

    Again, it's nothing about race, and Sharpton knows this. He won't say it mind you. But whatever.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What laws are on the books designed to protect people? Do understand the difference between protecting someone and punishing murders and rapists? I get the feeling you don't.
    I don't see how you can draw a difference between the two. If a cop is on patrol and I call him because someone just broke into my house (granted I'd probably deal with it myself and then call them), they are attempt to stop them from possibly murdering and/or raping me. So, yeah their protecting you.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What laws are on the books designed to protect people? Do understand the difference between protecting someone and punishing murders and rapists? I get the feeling you don't.
    Do you understand the concept of deterrence? It is a big word, but not that complex...
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well that is a stupid statement. Unless you live where there are no police at all, they do protect you/ That is like saying you don't need the government to do anything for you, while driving down the road.

    It was short and off the cuff, meant to be spikey and provocative; not meant to be a lengthy dissertation on the subject.


    But I have plenty of the latter if they are wanted. We can start with the SCOTUS decision that police are not responsible for the safety of the citizenry.


    Any rational person will look at that and realize they'd better make at least some provision for protecting their self.


    Then, since Ferguson is on everyone's mind, let's look at how well police and government protected all those businesses that got robbed, looted and/or burned... um.... not so good; how embarrassing.


    Do I benefit from the fact that there are police, courts and whatnot? Of course I do. I wouldn't want to live in anarchy, as we have innumerable examples of how that devolves quickly into warlordism and banditry.


    However on a pragmatic, day-to-day basis my statement is true: I don't depend on the police to protect me, I depend on me and to a lesser extent on family and neighbors. In the rural area in which I live, 911 is mainly for clean-up and report writing after it is all over.



    The plain FACT of the matter is, that it is very RARE for the police to get to ACTUALLY protect someone from direct attack. I know, I was in LE, and I treasure those few times I got to act in that role as gems that made all the rest of the crap worthwhile.


    Most of the time, unless a threat is slow developing and called in early, you're on your own. When seconds matter, help is usually several minutes away at least.



    I was annoyed by the statement in the OP quote that "People need the police to protect them." In a sense yes, we need an orderly society in order to have a functional society. The rule of law is preferable to the rule of unleashed force.



    But frankly, the police need the support of the citizenry just as badly if not more so than the reverse. Policing is almost impossible in neighborhoods where nobody cooperates with the police... which is what makes so many neighborhoods in Chicago and Detroit places of extreme crime and violence.



    If you want a peaceful neighborhood, the best place to start is with people being prepared to defend themselves and their homes against criminals; neighbors willing to watch out for each other and call 911 when they see criminal activity; and a police force people can trust and work with.


    The worst places in America typically lack all three.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Tell that to those living in Chicago:


    I refer you to my above post, especially my last statement.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    While I agree that using those body camera is a good step, it won't help with the feelings that the cops are just racist.
    that will matter a lot less if everything is documented.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Is Santa going to bring them all cameras for Christmas? The magical fairies going to pay for and authorize the system for every county in the US? You know the cops aren't federal, right?
    it needs to be mandated federally and paid for with taxes. has to be done. my guess is that it's inevitable now.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I refer you to my above post, especially my last statement.
    I've always been an advocate of getting the community more involved with some sort of neighborhood watch program that was designed to work in conjunction with the local citizens in giving them the equipment and training to defend their homes. Especially in Chicago where to get this under control, you have to have the community work with you. I'd actually be curious to hear what Chicago Blacks think of the police force there.

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