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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, there is not only the code of silence, but there are the Police Unions which have a great say in how officers are dealt with. Both areas need to be addressed in order to weed out the officers who shouldn't be on the force. Of course, all this pales in comparison the main issue that people don't want to focus on. Citizen on citizen crime in these communities.

    As Charles Barkley said, the police are the only ones keeping these communities from turning into the wild west. Until the citizen rise up and clean up their own mess, this merry-go-round will continue into the foreseeable future.
    Speaking of which, is it just me, or has the unions been incredibly silent throughout all this? Shouldn't they be standing up for these cops and speaking out?

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What would be wrong with assigning black officers to black neighborhoods? We've been preached to that, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!" if they're white officers in a black neighborhood. And, if we were to assign black officers to black neighborhoods? We'd be hearing, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!"

    I don't think we fully understand what happens to officers who are hit with the charges that Ferguson's cop was hit with. Their lives are ruined.

    If black neighborhoods don't trust white cops? Don't put white cops in the street.

    I've been watching COPS this morning while on computer. Almost every single arrest, white or black, the perp is yelling, "I can't breath! OMG! I have allergies! I have a back injury! You're killin' me, man!" Saw one guy (white) get arrested after a foot chase and being tased that, when escorted in cuffs to the patrol car for transport, banged his head against the roof of the squad car hard enough that he could've knocked himself out. Just a little insurance, I'd imagine. Apparently he was too stupid to know there were two TV cameras pointed at him at the time.

    It's a huge problem. I don't know the solution. But I wouldn't be a cop today for nuthin'.
    What if I am a white cop and I want to work in primarily black communities? What if I am a black cop and I want to work in primarily white communities? Why would I want to be assigned duty based on the color of my skin? If black cops work exclusively in black communities, why would then not want black supervisors and why would black supervisors not want a black chief? The overarching question is why do we still have separate black and white communities?










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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    What one will end up with is a whole city like Detroit---where most good people have fled, and the survivors live in fear. Shoddy or non-exsistant police. A broken fire department.

    From there, whole areas will become crapholes---like Mexico, Haiti, Lybia, Nigeria and so forth.
    Parts of our major cities are already like that.
    The question is, why does anyone stay in a place that is unsafe, where the cops can't be trusted, where the whole area is under the control of violent gangs?
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    I don't think we fully understand what happens to officers who are hit with the charges that Ferguson's cop was hit with. Their lives are ruined.
    I fully understand what happens to officers who are "hit with charges". More than 99% of the time, "exactly nothing". More than 99% of the time, they are not only not indicted for anything, they are not disciplined in any way
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Speaking of which, is it just me, or has the unions been incredibly silent throughout all this? Shouldn't they be standing up for these cops and speaking out?
    Good point. Seems to me they usually lay very low in most matters.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    just put cameras on all of them. that will do a lot to solve the problem, and will protect both the cop and the person being arrested. the solution here is obvious.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post

    As Charles Barkley said, the police are the only ones keeping these communities from turning into the wild west.
    Police overestimate their importance to the protection of communities. They exaggerate the dangers of their jobs.

    Furthermore when you actually do need police it takes them forever to show up because they were too busy pulling someone over for not wearing a seat-belt or showing up with 6 officers because some dude was selling cigarettes on the streets.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    just put cameras on all of them. that will do a lot to solve the problem, and will protect both the cop and the person being arrested. the solution here is obvious.
    How are the cops going to easily plant drugs on people and use excessive force if they have to wear cameras? The solution is obvious and the cops are vehemently against it for obvious reasons.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    In the NYPD 5% of cops produce 40% of the "resisting arrest" charges; while 15% of their cops produce 72% of the "resisting arrest" charges.

    5% of New York cops turn in 40% of "resisting arrest" cases - Vox

    If Philly or other cities are reflective of the NYPD's stastitics, it would seem to me there is a small minority of cops who -- somehow -- manage to constantly produce violent interactions with criminals everywhere they go, while another 85% don't seem to have such a problem. Meaning that I heavily suspect that, no, the REAL source of the problem has much more to do with personnel more than anything else.
    Seems like a standard paretian distribution to me...

    (Paretian discributions are a common occurance when you are looking at performance metrics of this sort).

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But a lot of this has nothing to do what. I mean if you listen to people like Sharpton, they'll tell you it's about race, and that the cops are just racist. And when you have communities that believe such, their not willing to work with the police force. Hell, there's a lto of good white cops, but for the average black, just think of him as some racist white cop coming into the neighborhood.
    You shouldn't listen to people like Sharpton. You shouldn't listen to people like Bartley either.

    Not being a black person I don't know what the average black person thinks "of some white cop coming into the neighborhood". Are you black? Do you live in a primarily black community? If you are and you do I have a few questions for you. If you aren't I wonder then how it is that you feel qualified to make the statements you make.










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