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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
    Well, there is not only the code of silence, but there are the Police Unions which have a great say in how officers are dealt with. Both areas need to be addressed in order to weed out the officers who shouldn't be on the force. Of course, all this pales in comparison the main issue that people don't want to focus on. Citizen on citizen crime in these communities.

    As Charles Barkley said, the police are the only ones keeping these communities from turning into the wild west. Until the citizen rise up and clean up their own mess, this merry-go-round will continue into the foreseeable future.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    The point is, a very high percentage of that 98 percent don't want anything to do with patrolling Ferguson for fear of what will happen if they have to shoot a black suspect.
    The reality is that they have brought a lot of that on themselves. People would have more respect for the police if the bad cops weren't ruining it for the good ones.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    I think this guy is a Nutter.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The reality is that they have brought a lot of that on themselves. People would have more respect for the police if the bad cops weren't ruining it for the good ones.
    ...and lawyers, and doctors, and politicians, and mechanics, and used car salesmen, etc.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In my experience the cops that complain most about their fellow cops abusing their authority are the ones who simply don't have the emotional capacity to do the job. There are, no doubt, some "war heroes" that cause more trouble than they stop but they generally don't last too long.
    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence.
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    The point is, a very high percentage of that 98 percent don't want anything to do with patrolling Ferguson for fear of what will happen if they have to shoot a black suspect.
    In the NYPD 5% of cops produce 40% of the "resisting arrest" charges; while 15% of their cops produce 72% of the "resisting arrest" charges.

    5% of New York cops turn in 40% of "resisting arrest" cases - Vox

    If Philly or other cities are reflective of the NYPD's stastitics, it would seem to me there is a small minority of cops who -- somehow -- manage to constantly produce violent interactions with criminals everywhere they go, while another 85% don't seem to have such a problem. Meaning that I heavily suspect that, no, the REAL source of the problem has much more to do with personnel more than anything else.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    In the NYPD 5% of cops produce 40% of the "resisting arrest" charges; while 15% of their cops produce 72% of the "resisting arrest" charges.

    5% of New York cops turn in 40% of "resisting arrest" cases - Vox

    If Philly or other cities are reflective of the NYPD's stastitics, it would seem to me there is a small minority of cops who -- somehow -- manage to constantly produce violent interactions with criminals everywhere they go, while another 85% don't seem to have such a problem. Meaning that I heavily suspect that, no, the REAL source of the problem has to do with personnel more than anything else.
    I figure those percentages are about right. There are definitely some cops who are in it for the "authority" but, as I said, they usually don't last. Nobody wants to partner with the guy who is going to get you targeted either by the bad guys or by the administration.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid Of The Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?
    What one will end up with is a whole city like Detroit---where most good people have fled, and the survivors live in fear. Shoddy or non-exsistant police. A broken fire department.

    From there, whole areas will become crapholes---like Mexico, Haiti, Lybia, Nigeria and so forth.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What would be wrong with assigning black officers to black neighborhoods? We've been preached to that, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!" if they're white officers in a black neighborhood. And, if we were to assign black officers to black neighborhoods? We'd be hearing, "OMG!!! That's raaacist!"

    I don't think we fully understand what happens to officers who are hit with the charges that Ferguson's cop was hit with. Their lives are ruined.

    If black neighborhoods don't trust white cops? Don't put white cops in the street.

    I've been watching COPS this morning while on computer. Almost every single arrest, white or black, the perp is yelling, "I can't breath! OMG! I have allergies! I have a back injury! You're killin' me, man!" Saw one guy (white) get arrested after a foot chase and being tased that, when escorted in cuffs to the patrol car for transport, banged his head against the roof of the squad car hard enough that he could've knocked himself out. Just a little insurance, I'd imagine. Apparently he was too stupid to know there were two TV cameras pointed at him at the time.

    It's a huge problem. I don't know the solution. But I wouldn't be a cop today for nuthin'.
    Part of the issue comes into play that there just aren't a lot of black police officers. Sure big cities like NY and LA can afford to outsource and recruit nationwide, but for everyone else, you kind of have to deal with the police force your able to put out. And do we really want a society where we're segregating out police forces? What happens when a call comes in and your black officer isn't available? Does no one answer it?

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What needs to happen is for the good cops (the 98% of cops out there) to start weeding out the bad apples rather than adhering to the code of silence. The bad cops make it harder for the good cops to do their job as the community loses faith in the police department and loses respect for the department. If the good cops would help get rid of the bad ones they would be improving their own quality of life, but sadly the code of silence is strong.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The reality is that they have brought a lot of that on themselves. People would have more respect for the police if the bad cops weren't ruining it for the good ones.
    But a lot of this has nothing to do what. I mean if you listen to people like Sharpton, they'll tell you it's about race, and that the cops are just racist. And when you have communities that believe such, their not willing to work with the police force. Hell, there's a lto of good white cops, but for the average black, just think of him as some racist white cop coming into the neighborhood.

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