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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Straw man. No one wants that.
    Sure they do...Don't kid yourself...And it's not a strawman...I didn't claim that anyone here argued that.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure they do...Don't kid yourself...And it's not a strawman...I didn't claim that anyone here argued that.
    I haven't seen any reports of people wanting to reinstate segregation anywhere.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Btw, how do you hire for that and not run afoul of just about every anti-discrimination law on the books?
    I don't see a problem with it. If the government and courts can segregate us into majority black districts, majority Hispanics districts and tell us that white can't represent blacks and Hispanics, heck we even have one majority Asian district why can't the police force be the same way. Only blacks can police black communities and whites white communities, Hispanics Hispanic communities and Asians Asian communities.

    Call it affirmative action policing.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I haven't seen any reports of people wanting to reinstate segregation anywhere.
    Oh, you want a report on my opinion? Wow, I had no idea you thought I was so important....
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, you want a report on my opinion? Wow, I had no idea you thought I was so important....
    What are you talking about? The post said:

    No, they want the segregation, they just don't want the man to tell them they have to.
    I don't know of anyone advocating for segregation, so that's a straw man. You are making up what people want to make your opinion look better.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Doesn't sound much like racial harmony, does it?
    Is what is going on now racial harmony?
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There certainly are race baitors out there that magnify the problem....absolutely. But I also don't think is fair to characterize the communities as "not willing to work with the police force". For many years I lived in the West Adams Area of Los Angeles, a historic area technically at the far nothern end of South Central. We had lots of crime issues, but by and large the community was extremely supportive of the police and didn't harbor criminals...and in my experience most have good relationships with the police and believe MOST of the police are good cops, not racists. But there are definitely cops in the area that manufacture "probable cause" on a daily basis to stop and frisk for no reason. This is what pisses people off. The cops can say that they are doing so for all the right reasons, but when you disrespect a community in the name of keep the community safer, you are going to have blowback.
    And I don't mean to imply that the fault is on the community, honestly I think it's more a 50/50 split to be honest. Because you have a lot of neighborhoods where the police won't patrol in some of these neighborhood because quite frankly, they fear for their lives. But the police have to be the one to make that first step. This relationship has to start with police making an effort in the community to get to know the individuals. What's sad is that, I don't think a cop is able to do what he needs to, especially in places like Englewood in Chicago. And that is to walk the streets and mingle. A cop does that in Englewood right now and he's a statistic by the end of the week.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    That infographic really steers in the wrong direction. It implies that the violence in Chicago is the result of gang-activity, which it isn't really. "Gangs" as you would traditional define them are your Latin Kings, Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, etc., etc. The big groups of organized criminals that deal drugs, pimp or what have you. In Chicago that doesn't really exist anymore, because the CPD has been incredibly effective in cleaning it up. It's almost non-existent now to the levels that it used to be.

    Instead what is driving crime and Chicago's homicides are teenagers (which the infographic does indicates) that have formed 'gangs' that are more resembling of high-school cliques than actual gangs. The fights aren't over who get to deal crack where, but rather it's over high school drama, relationships, petty crime and who's dissing each other on Twitter that ends up turning into shootings and revenge killings. The police aren't able to control that type of behavior like they were able to do with "big gangs."

    It's not a video game.
    To your first part, I do know there are some major gangs in Chicago, but I'll be the first to admit I don't know the intricacies of the day to day shootings that I'm sure someone from Chicago knows more than I. So on that point, I'll defer to you until I can do the proper research.

    As far as that last comment, this sort of situation has been done on many occasions across the country. Some communities, especially ones where police aren't able to perform their duties due to budget cuts, have gone so far as to hire private security outfits to come in and help secure the area. What I'm proposing is simply giving the members of the community a more active role in defending their homes and families. Because the police clearly aren't able to handle the job.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The 300 million, if it comes at all, will be in the form of grants and will not fund the programs continuing on. My home county fell for that a couple times. Took federal grants to hire new officers. A year later, the federal funding was gone and the layoffs began.
    These are two different issues though. I mean if you pay for a camera, you own the camera and don't have to worry about having to pay to keep that camera every year.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, i think the cameras should be on all police officers. enough of this ****. it protects both sides, and is just a common sense solution. i don't see any reason not to do it.
    Money is a big reason, especially when efficiency is taken into account. Hit the areas that see the most friction between cops and blacks, and you'll solve this issue without having to waste money.

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