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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    General crime has been dropping in some neighborhoods, and rising in others.
    No, no, I stated violent crime has generally been on the drop. Meanwhile, police departments have generally increased their funding. Do you want to address that yes or no? For example, I can show crime in Chicago (one of your favorites) has been dropping. I can show crime in major cities has been on the drop for 30 years, and yet police funding has increased when the crime rate has been dropped. Can you refute that somehow? C'man Erod. I'm challenging you to a debate on the police state. You can argue why police fears are justified and I can argue why they're unjustified.

    Just like educational disparity is increasing as well because of the complete obliteration of the family unit in those same communities.
    So I'm guessing you won't be up for that debate? Figures.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    That cant happen until we get rid of those unions
    In "protecting" us the legal system... police and prosecutors have been adversarial to the general public. The process has shifted from the public to the state.

    The state first protects the state, then the people. This also needs to change. The system, the state, can not be an unaccountable entity onto itself.


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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, no, I stated violent crime has generally been on the drop. Meanwhile, police departments have generally increased their funding. Do you want to address that yes or no? For example, I can show crime in Chicago (one of your favorites) has been dropping. I can show crime in major cities has been on the drop for 30 years, and yet police funding has increased when the crime rate has been dropped. Can you refute that somehow? C'man Erod. I'm challenging you to a debate on the police state. You can argue why police fears are justified and I can argue why they're unjustified.



    So I'm guessing you won't be up for that debate? Figures.
    Chicago as a whole has less violent crime, but are you seriously going to say that the south side is lessening?

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Chicago as a whole has less violent crime, but are you seriously going to say that the south side is lessening?
    So yes or no on that debate, Erod? C'man prove to us all you've got the skills to debate me.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Settling out of court isn't free. Nor are the lawyer fees to settle out of court.

    A criminal conviction doesn't just give a strong indication, it is considered absolute and indisputable proof in a civil case. If final conviction of guilt is not even disputable then in civil court. Civil judgments, however, are not even admissible to be mentioned in criminal court.
    Facts determined in a criminal case are general binding in a civil case - yes that's true. So if the criminal court finds guilt of criminally negligent homicide that fact doesn't have to be re-established. Issues like amount of damages would however still need to be determined.

    On the other side of the coin as you state civil judgments mean nothing in criminal cases because of the higher standard of proof.

    I also believe that the city did not pay for the officer's defense, rather the union paid for it. I'm not even sure the city can pay for it since the city would also be bringing the charges against him.

    In any case the city is his employer and, like any other, should be liable for the employees actions in discharging his employment duties. In a wrongful death suit the city victim's family should be compensated and should get more than the cop's house and savings. Instead of disavowing liability what the city should do is a better job of policing the police.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I've always found it funny... how the fears of cops are taken into consideration when new laws, policies, etc. are made.... do we have this same concern for soldiers? It's simple, if you're too scared to be a cop, don't become one. However, don't expect the rest of us to take pity on you after your unions fought for the right to not protect people or after they've given themselves massive benefits (legal and material), and have militarized yourselves in every community of America whether crime is on the rise or not.


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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So yes or no on that debate, Erod? C'man prove to us all you've got the skills to debate me.
    You haven't engaged in a real debate here....ever.

    And probably unlike you, most of my day is dedicated to work.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You haven't engaged in a real debate here....ever.
    I can prove you wrong though.

    And probably unlike you, most of my day is dedicated to work.
    Lol, Erod, I have a lot of patience. How about this, I'll set it up (4 posts a piece) and I'll give you a month to respond. I'm sure a month will be more than enough, or are you admitting your opinion is full of nonsense?
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no, congress passing a law requiring cameras isn't "real unconstitutional." "real unconstitutional" is forfeiture, the patriot act, and the NSA. THAT'S "real unconstitutional." this is a boring libertarian hissy fit.

    just put the ****ing cameras on the cops.
    I have no idea why you keep saying this. Yes, some things are worse than others, but if something is unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When I joined it was understood the job was dangerous, and if you couldn't run with the big dogs you needed to stay on the porch.
    That's the thing though isn't it? We're all supposed to be concerned that a policeman's job is dangerous and then we're told that soldiers don't have a right to complain about where they are sent because they signed up for it. What's different about police officers? They signed up to join too.... or are they there by force? If they're there by choice, then don't expect us to be concerned about whether the law bothers them. That's not what their job description entails.

    The way it stands, every time a policeman is killed it was because they chose to put themselves in the line of danger. Police unions in an attempt to defend themselves have ironically downgraded the role of a police officer to a glorified samaritan.
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