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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This is real unconstitutional **** that is going on. The government expanding the commerce clause to controlling the operations of business is unconstitutional, it is real, and it is ****.
    no, congress passing a law requiring cameras isn't "real unconstitutional." "real unconstitutional" is forfeiture, the patriot act, and the NSA. THAT'S "real unconstitutional." this is a boring libertarian hissy fit.

    just put the ****ing cameras on the cops.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    These people don't care about evidence. The people who riot couldn't care less what's true and we all know Sharpton doesn't care, he'll just twist the situation so it makes his side look good, regardless of the facts.
    i give zero ****s about Sharpton one way or the other.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    I've always found it funny... how the fears of cops are taken into consideration when new laws, policies, etc. are made.... do we have this same concern for soldiers? It's simple, if you're too scared to be a cop, don't become one. However, don't expect the rest of us to take pity on you after your unions fought for the right to not protect people or after they've given themselves massive benefits (legal and material), and have militarized yourselves in every community of America whether crime is on the rise or not.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I've always found it funny... how the fears of cops are taken into consideration when new laws, policies, etc. are made.... do we have this same concern for soldiers? It's simple, if you're too scared to be a cop, don't become one. However, don't expect the rest of us to take pity on you after your unions fought for the right to not protect people or after they've given themselves massive benefits (legal and material), and have militarized yourselves in every community of America whether crime is on the rise or not.
    On the rise or not?

    Communities like Ferguson have been war zones for years. South Chicago has more fatal shootings per year than our troops in Afghanistan. Many cops will not dispatch to these neighborhoods without one or more backup vehicles.

    Many of these protesters are people who are tired of having to circumvent the police on a daily basis.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    On the rise or not?
    It isn't. Want to make a wager on the matter?

    Communities like Ferguson have been war zones for years. South Chicago has more fatal shootings per year than our troops in Afghanistan. Many cops will not dispatch to these neighborhoods without one or more backup vehicles.

    Many of these protesters are people who are tired of having to circumvent the police on a daily basis.
    We can make this easy Erod, we can have a debate where we present evidence for both sides. I can present evidence that crime has been dropping for nearly 30 years, and you can present evidence that crime has been on the rise for those 30 years. You down for it?
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What needs to happen is that the government is not liable for the criminal actions of police officers. Because the government is liable for the massive lawsuits, there is equal massive economic incentive to defend the officer for obvious reason.

    I see no reason why the government - meaning taxpayers - should be liable for criminal conduct of police officers UNLESS the government entity told the officer to commit the crime.

    For example, in NYC that officer violated specific, known police policy. Therefore, why would NYC be liable in a civil suit over what that officer did?

    With a threatened $75 million dollar lawsuit, NYC has a $75,000,000 reason to NOT indict or convict the officer - as guilt in a criminal case inherently proves guilt in the civil case.

    So one of the problems is the sue-em lawyers - making such as Al Sharpston part of the cause and the problem. The lawyers having laws allowing them to go after deep pockets, when the NYPD and NYC had specifically told that officer to NEVER do a chockhold.

    The civil liability should ONLY be against the officer. If it was, there would be no economic motive either way to protect or prosecute that officer.
    The problem with your theory is that NYC almost always settles out of court. Additionally while your correct that a criminal conviction strongly indicates civil success, given the burden of proof in civil cases an acquittal criminally doesn't mean much.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, he's also the one who took the power for the court not provided in the Constitution. He's the one who raped states rights and grew the federal. But that's beside the point, the power you are looking for over local cops is not one of the implied powers of the federal either.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Is Santa going to bring them all cameras for Christmas? The magical fairies going to pay for and authorize the system for every county in the US? You know the cops aren't federal, right?
    The camera cost would be a tiny percentage - not 1% of what an officer costs just for 1 year - and if it avoided one lawsuit the cameras would pay for themselves many times over. Maybe you should raise the issue of how much bullets cost to argue police really should only have 1 bullet because who's going to pay for all those bullets?
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The problem with your theory is that NYC almost always settles out of court. Additionally while your correct that a criminal conviction strongly indicates civil success, given the burden of proof in civil cases an acquittal criminally doesn't mean much.
    Settling out of court isn't free. Nor are the lawyer fees to settle out of court.

    A criminal conviction doesn't just give a strong indication, it is considered absolute and indisputable proof in a civil case. If final conviction of guilt is not even disputable then in civil court. Civil judgments, however, are not even admissible to be mentioned in criminal court.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It isn't. Want to make a wager on the matter?



    We can make this easy Erod, we can have a debate where we present evidence for both sides. I can present evidence that crime has been dropping for nearly 30 years, and you can present evidence that crime has been on the rise for those 30 years. You down for it?
    General crime has been dropping in some neighborhoods, and rising in others. Just like educational disparity is increasing as well because of the complete obliteration of the family unit in those same communities.

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