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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That would illegal. The police are a state matter that has nothing to do with the federal government.



    I didn't even make that argument. Our discussion is about federal authority, not the existence of workplace regulations in general. No one really agrees with libertarians on the drug war or the war on terror either. When was the last time a liberal argued for legalizing some drug without taxes? Was the last time liberals or conservatives for that matter agreed with non-intervention?
    here's the thing : i don't care if you think federal workplace regulations are unconstitutional. see, this kind of stuff is why you guys can never get a foothold. choose your battles better. there is a lot of real, actual unconstitutional **** going on that needs to be addressed, and you're whining about laws that prevent employers from putting their employees in danger? that's just a ridiculous waste of time.

    either way, just put the ****ing cameras on the cops so that we can solve the problem.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    here's the thing : i don't care if you think federal workplace regulations are unconstitutional. see, this kind of stuff is why you guys can never get a foothold. choose your battles better. there is a lot of real, actual unconstitutional **** going on that needs to be addressed, and you're whining about laws that prevent employers from putting their employees in danger? that's just a ridiculous waste of time.
    This is real unconstitutional **** that is going on. The government expanding the commerce clause to controlling the operations of business is unconstitutional, it is real, and it is ****.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    The reality is that they have brought a lot of that on themselves. People would have more respect for the police if the bad cops weren't ruining it for the good ones.
    What about the people? There are a lot of bad people who are ruining it for the good ones but nobody wants to talk about that. Michael Brown is a criminal who tried to grab a cop's gun and got exactly what he deserved, yet the black race-baiters in Ferguson refuse to even acknowledge that, all they can see is a white guy shot a black guy. If it was the exact same situation, except a white officer and a white criminal or a black officer and a black criminal, none of this would have happened. There's a whole lot of black liberal racists out there that the liberals refuse to even acknowledge.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who are Increasingly Afraid of the Community’ « CBS St. Louis



    This discussion hints at the REAL source of the problem, which CNN and the msm wouldn't dare touch with a 10-foot pole.

    Is this an issue about trusting the police, or is this about resentment for repeatedly getting caught by the police? Do many of these folks want better police enforcement, or do they want no police enforcement? It smells of "my teacher hates me."

    We're headed for a situation where cops will refuse to police these neighborhoods altogether for fear of being singled out like the Ferguson police officer. Rough areas will be left to fend for themselves.

    That, or black officer will be assigned to black neighborhoods, and whites to white neighborhoods. How racially divided does that sound?
    Race is a minor player - probably a very minor player. The causes of the problem are many but high up on the list I'd put

    1. The war on drugs
    2. The move away from beat cops to putting them in cars
    3. The huge expansion in the number of laws that people are subject to
    4. Hiring ex military in large numbers into police departments.


    The simple fact is that the police aren't protectors. They never were and they never will be. The police role is to enforce the law. When someone deals with a cop it's usually in their official capacity which means the citizen is under the microscope. That generates an us-vs-them mindset on the part of both sides by default.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    just put cameras on all of them. that will do a lot to solve the problem, and will protect both the cop and the person being arrested. the solution here is obvious.
    It won't stop the race-baiters like Sharpton, he doesn't care about the reality of the event, only how he can use it to push his agenda.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

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    they can believe whatever they want. the evidence needs to be documented to protect both sides. it will solve a lot of problems.
    These people don't care about evidence. The people who riot couldn't care less what's true and we all know Sharpton doesn't care, he'll just twist the situation so it makes his side look good, regardless of the facts.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We don't need more cops; we need better cops; and people being better citizens.
    I think we need better citizens before we need better cops. Unfortunately, the former is not likely to happen any time soon, especially not with all the liberal entitlement-happy nonsense that goes on in society.
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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    whatever it takes. this problem is so solvable. solve it.
    Then start a campaign at your state or local level. I hope you succeed. But Congress is not an Easy Button.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    What needs to happen is that the government is not liable for the criminal actions of police officers. Because the government is liable for the massive lawsuits, there is equal massive economic incentive to defend the officer for obvious reason.

    I see no reason why the government - meaning taxpayers - should be liable for criminal conduct of police officers UNLESS the government entity told the officer to commit the crime.

    For example, in NYC that officer violated specific, known police policy. Therefore, why would NYC be liable in a civil suit over what that officer did?

    With a threatened $75 million dollar lawsuit, NYC has a $75,000,000 reason to NOT indict or convict the officer - as guilt in a criminal case inherently proves guilt in the civil case.

    So one of the problems is the sue-em lawyers - making such as Al Sharpston part of the cause and the problem. The lawyers having laws allowing them to go after deep pockets, when the NYPD and NYC had specifically told that officer to NEVER do a chockhold.

    The civil liability should ONLY be against the officer. If it was, there would be no economic motive either way to protect or prosecute that officer.

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    Re: Philly Mayor: ‘You Have Some Police Officers Who Are Increasingly Afraid...."

    Brilliant. And so typical of the media.


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