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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    https://www.marxists.org/history/int...4/02/mason.htm

    Communist leaders were the ones to be recognized as deities, as we can see by the statues, the photos everywhere, and so on. There was no room for Christianity in Communist countries though n some cases religious worship was allowed, but certainly discouraged. We can see the type of hero worship on display today in South Korea.
    You're pushing your own interpretations instead of what is actually so. Just like in North Korea (which I assume you meant), their constitution allows for freedom of religion, even though they are officially a non-religious country. They may restrict religious activities, but there are state-sanctioned religious groups to which the people can belong. Therefore, they have not wiped out religion by any means, even if they do not enjoy the same religious freedom we do in the United States.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If I start a giant orgy in the streets on your block, just don't look at it. If you're offended, it's because you CHOOSE to be offended.
    1: This is illegal. So your Reductio ad absurdum wasn't just absurd, it was stupid.

    2: I wouldn't be offended. It would give me a chance to watch and observe. Particularly the police rounding them up and hauling them off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You sit there on your high horse declaring that the other guys are just liars and trolls, did it occur to you that all you are doing is just dictating to others what the correct beliefs are? Only be offended by what Kal'Stang says you should be offended by. Only care about religious freedom of those Kal'Stang says have it. You know what? Blocking other religions from access to public space while allowing Christian displays offends me because I'm an American.
    They ARE liars and trolls. Their own website states that Gods are mythical and do not exist. Something that extreme athiests believe. A true Satanist believes in God also for the simple fact that Satan is the opposite of God.

    From their own website...

    As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value.
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    Unless atheism is now considered a religion, which would go against their very tenants as atheists, this group is definitely NOT a religion. No matter what spin and legal loopholes they managed to get through. IF they were a legitimate, honest to goodness (or badness depending on POV ) religion I would have no problem with them putting up their idiotic displays, hell...Christianity does so why would I be bothered by these guys IF they were actually religious? But they're not. They're atheists intent on being childish and offensive in order to try and drive out religion from the public eye because they choose to be offended by such sights.

    You see the ONLY problem that I'm having with this is that these people are doing it JUST to be aholes, not because they're actually religious. If they were being honest then I'd have no problem with them.

    You also seem to think that I am advocating for them to be denied their display. I'm not. I'm all for free speech. IMO and as far as I'm concerned someone could put up a display advocating for abortion next to some religion that is against it and I'd be fine with it. So, them putting up their display is no big whoop. The big whoop is them doing it just to be aholes. I will always advocate for manners over someone being an ahole.
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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Satanists aren't atheists and atheists aren't Satanists. Why are some finding this statement so difficult to believe.

    Atheist doesn't simply mean a person doesn't believe in your god, it means belief in no gods. True Satanists see Lucifer as a deity equal to, if not superior to YWHW. Satanists believe in the Abrahamic god's existence but that it is not worthy of their worship.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Satanists aren't atheists and atheists aren't Satanists. Why are some finding this statement so difficult to believe.

    Atheist doesn't simply mean a person doesn't believe in your god, it means belief in no gods. True Satanists see Lucifer as a deity equal to, if not superior to YWHW. Satanists believe in the Abrahamic god's existence but that it is not worthy of their worship.
    which makes me wonder why athiests here are supportive of the satanists holiday display...


    in any event, i don't care who puts what up for a holiday display on public land...it ain't none of my business.


    it's not like a satanist display is going to be taken seriously anyways <shrugs>

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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    which makes me wonder why athiests here are supportive of the satanists holiday display...


    in any event, i don't care who puts what up for a holiday display on public land...it ain't none of my business.


    it's not like a satanist display is going to be taken seriously anyways <shrugs>
    Atheists, humanists, agnostics and many Christians are supportive of the rights of all Americans, not just the ones who fit into a specific category. The point in all of this mess, is that no religion should be given space on publicly-owned land. BUT, If one sect is allowed, all sects must be allowed
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Atheists, humanists, agnostics and many Christians are supportive of the rights of all Americans, not just the ones who fit into a specific category. The point in all of this mess, is that no religion should be given space on publicly-owned land. BUT, If one sect is allowed, all sects must be allowed
    I agree that all should.. provided they all follow the rules equally, and all are sincere in their intentions.

    I vehemently disagree with barring all of them , though.... I support religious freedom, I don't oppose it.

    my point about atheists is that if they were consistent, they would oppose the satanists churches actions as they do the Christians church actions....but American atheists are a weird lot, they only have a hard-on for Christians.

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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I agree that all should.. provided they all follow the rules equally, and all are sincere in their intentions.

    I vehemently disagree with barring all of them , though.... I support religious freedom, I don't oppose it.

    my point about atheists is that if they were consistent, they would oppose the satanists churches actions as they do the Christians church actions....but American atheists are a weird lot, they only have a hard-on for Christians.
    You only 'know' about atheists from those who see any actions or words from non-believers as oppressive. What the enemy says about the opponent is seldom complete truth
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You only 'know' about atheists from those who see any actions or words from non-believers as oppressive. What the enemy says about the opponent is seldom complete truth
    I agree with your last sentence... your first sentence means nothing, as you are assuming something about me ..without basis.

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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I agree with your last sentence... your first sentence means nothing, as you are assuming something about me ..without basis.
    The "basis" of my earlier replies are your comments, without your words I would not have posted as I did.

    AND now back to the topic
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    which makes me wonder why athiests here are supportive of the satanists holiday display...


    in any event, i don't care who puts what up for a holiday display on public land...it ain't none of my business.


    it's not like a satanist display is going to be taken seriously anyways <shrugs>
    Are you suggesting Satanism is a lesser religion than others?

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