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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Just pointing out that you're badmouthing the value of higher education while displaying lacking in some of the finer points of grammar.

    Also:

    Allot
    al∑lot
    əˈlšt/
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    verb: allot; 3rd person present: allots; past tense: allotted; past participle: allotted; gerund or present participle: allotting

    give or apportion (something) to someone as a share or task.
    "equal time was allotted to each"


    A lot
    Adv. 1. a lot - to a very great degree or extent; "I feel a lot better"; "we enjoyed ourselves very much"; "she was very much interested"; "this would help a great deal"
    a good deal, a great deal, lots, very much, much
    No one succeeded because of proper grammar. But many have succeeded on hard work and the fruits of their labor and ideas. People that succeed in this way, don't give a **** about your grammar abilities, unless it's critical for their jobs(like translation software businesses)

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    No one succeeded because of proper grammar. But many have succeeded on hard work and the fruits of their labor and ideas. People that succeed in this way, don't give a **** about your grammar abilities, unless it's critical for their jobs(like translation software businesses)
    I'm not really a grammar nazi, and I have many, many typos, errors, and misused words here and anywhere else I've ever written anything. As I stated earlier, I posted the corrections because of my interpretation of the poster's devaluing of education while simultaneously showing a lack of concern about what appeared to be a lack of education on proper use of plurals and apostrophes.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

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    I'm fairly certain that universities wouldn't offer majors that they didn't perceive as having value and that the students wouldn't study them without perceiving value.

    There are already market motivations that contribute towards certain fields of study. I'd prefer we decrease barriers to education in general, rather than construct more by favoring only select fields.
    I'm fairly certain a majority of students are generally clueless when it comes to a major, and they finally pick one that sounds cool, or doesn't require as much effort to complete. As I wrote, a review of degrees offered at most public universities will provide ample evidence of the large number of these degrees.

    I don't suggest these pointless degrees be eliminated, I just don't think they should be funded with the precious dollars that are available. If a student wants to borrow money from a lender, or from parents, or can save or work for the cost, all the power to them.

    The scam that higher education has become is one of the greater crimes committed on young people, and those behind the scam should be shamed out of the education field altogether.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

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    Private universities may do as they wish, of course, but public universities have to observe whatever mandates are demanded of them, and chances are, private universities will wish to stay competitive with public universities.
    States have a bigger mandate: balance their budgets. And as their finances have come under pressure they've placed more of the burden on students because they know the students can finance the cost with subsidized loans or get Mommy and Daddy to pay the freight, either with cash of PLUS loans. I mean, even in the progressive People's Democratic Republic of California students who want to attend a school in the UC system get hosed to the tune of $30K-plus a year, so what chance do students anywhere else have? As far as private colleges wanting to compete with public schools, the top-tier schools compete more on academic reputation than price. Students seem willing to fork over the dough for the MITs, Berkeleys, Harvards, Stanfords, and Princetons regardless of cost. It's the lower tier private schools that compete more on price, and even then there's a two-tier pricing system, kind of like the MSRP quoted for a new car and what one is actually pays. These schools are just trying to make themselves look exclusive by listing a high price for tuition while offering considerable subsidies just to get bodies in the door.
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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm fairly certain a majority of students are generally clueless when it comes to a major, and they finally pick one that sounds cool, or doesn't require as much effort to complete. As I wrote, a review of degrees offered at most public universities will provide ample evidence of the large number of these degrees.

    I don't suggest these pointless degrees be eliminated, I just don't think they should be funded with the precious dollars that are available. If a student wants to borrow money from a lender, or from parents, or can save or work for the cost, all the power to them.

    The scam that higher education has become is one of the greater crimes committed on young people, and those behind the scam should be shamed out of the education field altogether.
    I agree with you that there are educational institutions that are cheating students. In general, I view the threat as being from the "for profit" education system where graduation rates and job placement are relatively low. Those are the targets I'd address first if you're looking for significant reform and strong results.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    States have a bigger mandate: balance their budgets. And as their finances have come under pressure they've placed more of the burden on students because they know the students can finance the cost with subsidized loans or get Mommy and Daddy to pay the freight, either with cash of PLUS loans. I mean, even in the progressive People's Democratic Republic of California students who want to attend a school in the UC system get hosed to the tune of $30K-plus a year, so what chance do students anywhere else have? As far as private colleges wanting to compete with public schools, the top-tier schools compete more on academic reputation than price. Students seem willing to fork over the dough for the MITs, Berkeleys, Harvards, Stanfords, and Princetons regardless of cost. It's the lower tier private schools that compete more on price, and even then there's a two-tier pricing system, kind of like the MSRP quoted for a new car and what one is actually pays. These schools are just trying to make themselves look exclusive by listing a high price for tuition while offering considerable subsidies just to get bodies in the door.
    Yes. I'm very much aware that here in California we've seen all levels of higher education increase significantly in cost over the last few years. Attacking one of the fundamental means of economic mobility is immoral. I'm openly advocating it be reversed.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Industrial numbers are soft in China, too.



    The idea that you can decrease the cost of higher education by increasing federal subsidies of it is.... Well, entertaining.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I agree with you that there are educational institutions that are cheating students. In general, I view the threat as being from the "for profit" education system where graduation rates and job placement are relatively low. Those are the targets I'd address first if you're looking for significant reform and strong results.


    Yes. I'm very much aware that here in California we've seen all levels of higher education increase significantly in cost over the last few years. Attacking one of the fundamental means of economic mobility is immoral. I'm openly advocating it be reversed.
    It's not just "for profits". The current graduation rate in the California State University System is abysmal. In fact, it's so bad, the data is really difficult to find. The most recent studies that can be found related to retention rates date back to 2005. This means kids are checking into college, taking out loans to pay for them and very quickly dropping out, because they either couldn't handle to curriculum, or they just couldn't hack the effort.

    It's a crime what has been done to the minds of young people today. College isn't for everyone. It shouldn't be. Community Colleges can provide skills training the is completely sufficient for someone to go out and live a successful, productive and lucrative life. Instead, the message is, get a college degree, or suffer. BS.

    And one more rant. Why does it take 5-6 years now to complete a degree? Because it's been designed to rip off the students, and feather the beds of tenured professors, and greedy administrators.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's not just "for profits". The current graduation rate in the California State University System is abysmal. In fact, it's so bad, the data is really difficult to find. The most recent studies that can be found related to retention rates date back to 2005. This means kids are checking into college, taking out loans to pay for them and very quickly dropping out, because they either couldn't handle to curriculum, or they just couldn't hack the effort.

    It's a crime what has been done to the minds of young people today. College isn't for everyone. It shouldn't be. Community Colleges can provide skills training the is completely sufficient for someone to go out and live a successful, productive and lucrative life. Instead, the message is, get a college degree, or suffer. BS.

    And one more rant. Why does it take 5-6 years now to complete a degree? Because it's been designed to rip off the students, and feather the beds of tenured professors, and greedy administrators.
    I'm happy to reform higher education, but the for profit stuff is much lower hanging fruit. It's an easy win:

    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm happy to reform higher education, but the for profit stuff is much lower hanging fruit. It's an easy win:

    God forbid DeVry or University of Phoenix be allowed to make a profit. They are chicken feed and amount to a blip on the radar. Why start there?

    The 800 pound Gorilla is the Public Universities subsidized by taxpayers, and screwing the students and the public at the same time.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    God forbid DeVry or University of Phoenix be allowed to make a profit. They are chicken feed and amount to a blip on the radar. Why start there?

    The 800 pound Gorilla is the Public Universities subsidized by taxpayers, and screwing the students and the public at the same time.
    It's a much larger problem than you're acknowledging.

    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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