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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    But we're not particularly responsive to the needs of business, so I can't see charging them for it. They already do a lot of their own training. For example, my son received a degree from a state school in graphic arts and marketing which the taxpayers subsidized. Meanwhile, he makes great money working in the oil patch, but his employer trained him in the particulars of running the tools and computer software they use to drill the wells. Someone with only a high school diploma could do the job, but the employer requires experience or a college degree, normally in something like petroleum engineering or geology. It's overkill, really.
    If industries want to demand through their hiring processes post high school education, let's start applying some of the corporate taxes towards lowering tuition costs.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If industries want to demand through their hiring processes post high school education, let's start applying some of the corporate taxes towards lowering tuition costs.
    The thing is subsidies don't lower costs. They tend to raise them by increasing demand for a good or service. I can see colleges taking the extra government money and raising tuition even more. Why? Because they can.
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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    The thing is subsidies don't lower costs. They tend to raise them by increasing demand for a good or service. I can see colleges taking the extra government money and raising tuition even more. Why? Because they can.
    Private universities may do as they wish, of course, but public universities have to observe whatever mandates are demanded of them, and chances are, private universities will wish to stay competitive with public universities.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Not having a skill sucks ass don't it.

    I know this is off topic but High School needs to be revised.
    Hold on.

    Working in heavy manufacturing and machining is the definition of 'not having a skill'?

    It encompass a huge variety of skills that not everyone is capable of performing. Everything from tech engineers who design freighters to the individuals who coordinate safe and expedient transport are skilled at what they do.

    That's like saying someone who installs air conditioners are 'unskilled' labor - when they actually have to become legally certified in HVAC tech to be able to do so and are relied on for their abilities and knowledge.

    Unskilled labor is something like being a stock boy or a cashier. But yet - we rely on them as well.
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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Private universities may do as they wish, of course, but public universities have to observe whatever mandates are demanded of them, and chances are, private universities will wish to stay competitive with public universities.
    Actually, public universities should emphasize the areas of knowledge in greatest need. Grants, scholarships, and low interest loans should be made available only to those areas of need. Science, technology, etc.. No student loans for the vast majority of liberal arts majors. If students want to pursue those majors, let them pay for their education on their own.

    Without going into great detail, public universities need to eliminate any funding for classes that are a waste of taxpayer funds. An advisory board should be formed of business and technology leaders who can identify these areas of need. "Teachers/Professors" who want to teach the worthless degrees can find jobs at private universities or go get a different job. Scamming students and putting them into debt for decades should be considered a crime of opportunity, and treated as such.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Actually, public universities should emphasize the areas of knowledge in greatest need. Grants, scholarships, and low interest loans should be made available only to those areas of need. Science, technology, etc.. No student loans for the vast majority of liberal arts majors. If students want to pursue those majors, let them pay for their education on their own.

    Without going into great detail, public universities need to eliminate any funding for classes that are a waste of taxpayer funds. An advisory board should be formed of business and technology leaders who can identify these areas of need. "Teachers/Professors" who want to teach the worthless degrees can find jobs at private universities or go get a different job. Scamming students and putting them into debt for decades should be considered a crime of opportunity, and treated as such.
    What you're describing is not particularly "free market" in its approach to government dictating the direction of the economy.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'd rather the costs of higher education be shifted from students. If employers want to require an educated staff, let them help shoulder the burden.

    I'm playing volleyball on the beach tomorrow morning, a week into December. California certainly has its upsides.
    What's your monthly property tax bill?

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    What's your monthly property tax bill?

    There's more to life than good weather.
    I didn't intend to suggest that good weather was a summary of the benefits of California living, or that we don't have challenges, such as the unrealistic housing markets in the major metropolitan areas.

    But it was sunny and 70's on the beach this morning.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    What you're describing is not particularly "free market" in its approach to government dictating the direction of the economy.
    The government wouldn't be dictating anything. Again, without going into the finer details, financial assistance would be directed to areas of need. For example, there is a shortage of engineers in multiple areas. Loans, etc., would be made available to those students who want to pursue those majors. Why disperse limited resources in area of higher education that have little to no value to the public?

    All one has to do is review available majors from public universities to recognize there are areas of study that meet this "little/no value" standard. They should be offered, of course, but students pursuing those degrees should pay for them themselves.

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    Re: Factory orders fall for third straight month

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The government wouldn't be dictating anything. Again, without going into the finer details, financial assistance would be directed to areas of need. For example, there is a shortage of engineers in multiple areas. Loans, etc., would be made available to those students who want to pursue those majors. Why disperse limited resources in area of higher education that have little to no value to the public?

    All one has to do is review available majors from public universities to recognize there are areas of study that meet this "little/no value" standard. They should be offered, of course, but students pursuing those degrees should pay for them themselves.
    I'm fairly certain that universities wouldn't offer majors that they didn't perceive as having value and that the students wouldn't study them without perceiving value.

    There are already market motivations that contribute towards certain fields of study. I'd prefer we decrease barriers to education in general, rather than construct more by favoring only select fields.

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