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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'm not partisan at all, nor did I forget about Obamacare. I'm just not seeing any evidence that connects Obamacare, to shorter working hours. We've been working shorter and shorter working hours for more than a century.

    There is no reason to believe that Obamacare is having that effect. Most large employers already paid for insurance, so I don't see how that would have effected them again. Most smaller employers, the types that tended to have part time employees, are exempt from the employer mandate.

    Do you have any evidence that indicates Obamacare is having anything to do with more part timers, other than anti-obamacare rhetoric? And can you explain why the percentage of part time employees was increasing BEFORE Obama was even elected? Or why it soared up during the time gap between the start of the Great Bush Recession but prior to Obamacare?

    Seriously, if you have any evidence that indicates causation, I'd like to see it. And rhetoric isn't evidence, it's just talk.
    Businesses cutting back found they could operate with more part-time employees (with fewer benefits) and more technology. That it started before the PPACA does not mean that the PPACA isn't part of the decision-making process. For some it naturally would be, but for others it might not be. There is no single driver in business employment trends so not much can be left out of the mix either.

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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    RighTEAs swarm the best jobs report number yet, as they do once a month.
    Wishing they could have the good old days six years ago when we were losing 740,000 jobs a month.
    Imagine the joy from rightists if President Romney had a job differential of + 1,061,000 jobs from Nov. 2008 .
    I'm actually shocked no one attributed the increase to the new GOP controlled Congress.

    Maybe Limbaugh and Hannity haven't said that yet.
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

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    Big colorful graphics made with superficial dats from the Daily Kos might impress you, but not me.

    I would rather spend a whole 3 minutes getting to the bottom of what seems like good news for Obama and the Democrats.

    You know, just because of the obvious tendencies Obama has to not offering up the whole truth.

    Obama's like a really crooked Used Car Salesman.

    You just can't take anything he says seriously.

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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm actually shocked no one attributed the increase to the new GOP controlled Congress.

    Maybe Limbaugh and Hannity haven't said that yet.
    Especially since they attributed the 2.2 million jobs lost during Obama's first three months to Obama.
    And every month after until the turnaround.
    (remembering how 10.4% was all on Obama)

    Yet the righTEAs began finding fault with positive monthly reports thereafter .
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Big colorful graphics made with superficial dats from the Daily Kos might impress you, but not me.

    I would rather spend a whole 3 minutes getting to the bottom of what seems like good news for Obama and the Democrats.

    You know, just because of the obvious tendencies Obama has to not offering up the whole truth.

    Obama's like a really crooked Used Car Salesman.

    You just can't take anything he says seriously.
    Don't let the facts get in your way.
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm actually shocked no one attributed the increase to the new GOP controlled Congress.

    Maybe Limbaugh and Hannity haven't said that yet.
    As soon as they say it, their followers will follow.
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Btw, according to the NOT seasonally adjusted household survey, there were actually 270,000 FEWER Americans employed in November compared to October.

    Plus a whopping (again NOT seasonally adjusted) 735,000(!) less Americans employed in November compared to October.

    Table A-9. Selected employment indicators

    This report just gets uglier and uglier.
    Instead of pointing to monthly swings as indicators per usual, why not look at the actual trends? The number of those working part time has increased by 250k in the last year while over 2.5 million full time positions have been added in the same time period.

    Table A-9. Selected employment indicators
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Big colorful graphics made with superficial dats from the Daily Kos might impress you, but not me.

    I would rather spend a whole 3 minutes getting to the bottom of what seems like good news for Obama and the Democrats.

    You know, just because of the obvious tendencies Obama has to not offering up the whole truth.

    Obama's like a really crooked Used Car Salesman.

    You just can't take anything he says seriously.

    It's not the pretty graphs that are interesting, it's the facts that they are based on. Pretty shocking when you see something like that isn't it?

    Go ahead, dismiss the truth because it doesn't fit your failed rhetoric. We all knew you would anyway.
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    If we divide a Trillion dollars by all of the jobs that this Administration claims that they have created with that stimulus... Then how much did each of these jobs actually end up costing the taxpayers per job? How effective was the government with that redistribution?

    Is it fair for the Administration to brag that these job number increases are a result of fundamentals enhanced by their superior economic policy decisions?
    Or should they just admit that these numbers were bought and paid for by the taxpayers?

    And how come no one is talking about how far these [inflated] job numbers are below the Administration's original projections?
    What about that accountability?


    Since most of these jobs are low level entry jobs... Think of how much money we could have saved if the government just paid these workers directly and cut out all of the politicians in the middle. Especially, when you take into account the fact that we were already paying most of them unemployment to start with.


    By the way...

    Are the wonderful job numbers touted by the Administration the result of fundamental growth or are they marginalized by the expanding population growth and the resultant natural expansion of the jobs market?


    I was also wondering...

    When this Administration brags about all of these low level jobs being created, do they mention that most of them are going to those individuals that Obama is inviting across the open boarder?


    Does anyone care that -- For Every One Job Added, Nearly 5 People Left the Workforce?
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    Re: Payroll employment increases by 321,000 in November; unemployment rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    If we divide a Trillion dollars by all of the jobs that this Administration claims that they have created with that stimulus...
    We simply don't know how many were created or saved, and will never know.

    I am not a supporter of the spendulous bill, it was horribly misdirected and misimplimented. It was designed to give us a soft landing, when what we really needed was a jump start. It was way too small, way to indirect, padded the pockets of the already rich, and was mostly a payback for political support.

    But do you really believe that if we had elected a different president, that any other president would have failed to attempt some sort of economic stimulous? I don't.

    Are the wonderful job numbers touted by the Administration the result of fundamental growth or are they marginalized by the expanding population growth and the resultant natural expansion of the jobs market?
    Our lfpr has stopped declining. So I can only assume that the increasing jobs numbers is a result of economic growth. I guess you can try to rationalize and marginalize all the good economic news that you desire to, when it proves your ideology wrong, but maybe it would be wiser to modify your ideology.
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