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    US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

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    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    It's a matter of definitions, isn't it?

    Human rights. Are chimpanzees and other great apes humans? That'd be no.

    If you want to bestow on them rights, which is fine, but then those rights would be chimpanzees and great apes rights, and wouldn't necessarily be exactly the same as Human rights, as there is a difference between chimpanzees and great apes and humans.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I can't see how a chimp could have "rights". How would that even work? I do think there should be very strict animal welfare laws in place protecting primates. A chimp should certainly have more protections than a pet tarantula.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    If we won't even extend human rights to unborn humans than why should animals have any?
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    He's not human... Seems pretty cut and dry

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If we won't even extend human rights to unborn humans than why should animals have any?
    I can certainly see the argument. Many species, especially among primates, are sentient beings with minds capable of thought and emotions. A zygote is not.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If we won't even extend human rights to unborn humans than why should animals have any?
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    Needless to say, unlike human beings, chimpanzees cannot bear any legal duties, submit to societal responsibilities or be held legally accountable for their actions.'
    By that logic, you could make the argument that a chimp is more capable of those things than a fetus is.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's a matter of definitions, isn't it?

    Human rights. Are chimpanzees and other great apes humans? That'd be no.

    If you want to bestow on them rights, which is fine, but then those rights would be chimpanzees and great apes rights, and wouldn't necessarily be exactly the same as Human rights, as there is a difference between chimpanzees and great apes and humans.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm all for animal rights, but trying to extend human rights to an animal seems weird. The court made the right decision on this one. Human rights entails the ability to verbalize them and defend them if need be. In my opinion, it also entails having inherited certain human qualities. That said, a cluster of cells is no more a human than a blood drop from a papercut.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

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    BBC News - US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    The plaintiffs should be sanctioned for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

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