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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    He's a ****ing chimp, of course he doesn't.
    Apparently there are some in this thread who are surprised by such a thing. That it wasn't thrown out of court on it's face says people in this country are slowly becoming insane.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
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    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    They may be, but human rights are for humans and chips ain't human. They cannot possess human rights by definition.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They may be, but human rights are for humans and chips ain't human. They cannot possess human rights by definition.
    Of course not. The constitution gives the govt the power to protect the rights of "persons" only. Chimps are obviously not "persons" so as a legal matter, the suit had no chance or success.

    But as a philosophical matter, I find it interesting
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That would be very cruel since the chimp has never lived outside of his cage let alone in the wild.
    Not really..there are programs for captive chimps to learn how to live back in the wild..they don't just throw them into the wilderness.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Apparently there are some in this thread who are surprised by such a thing. That it wasn't thrown out of court on it's face says people in this country are slowly becoming insane.
    What do you mean by "slowly"?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What do you mean by "slowly"?
    Hmm... yes slowly as I used it is a relative term...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Trying to give chimps personhood rights might have been well meaning but was in fact a stupid waste of time and money and it didn't help that poor chimp in the cage at all.
    Yeah but give that chimp millions of dollars and tax cuts...turn that chimp in to a business and you should have the correct formula for personhood.

    SCOTUS should smile and give two thumbs up on that one.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    BBC News - US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    I've talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, and think while it was unrealistic for chimps to get human rights, per se, they definitely deserve a higher tier than other animals due to their high intelligence.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, and think while it was unrealistic for chimps to get human rights, per se, they definitely deserve a higher tier than other animals due to their high intelligence.
    And how do you establish those theoretical "tiers" and the hypothetical rights that go along with those tiers? What would that look like?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And how do you establish those theoretical "tiers" and the hypothetical rights that go along with those tiers? What would that look like?
    It's not something I've thoroughly thought out, but the right not to be hunted or experimented on would almost certainly be at the top of the list. I'm not suggesting "free speech" or the "right to vote" if that's where you think I'm going with this.
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