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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by ataturk View Post
    No rights. By Deinition Human rights can only apply to Humans. I think men should have rights but womens rights deal with only things applicable to women only. Human rioghts should only apply to those things that only CAN apply to humans. Most human rights should be applied to Chimps but not all.

    personally I don;t like chimps. for the same reasons that I do like Bonobos. I think Chimps exhibit the worst qualities of primates. they still deserve rights.
    Yes they do..Animal rights...

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by ataturk View Post
    Plenty of Chimps are kept in prisons. We call them Zoos
    That's a damned racist thing to say.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    Yes they do..Animal rights...
    What rights do you think animals have?

    And what animals have those rights?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What rights do you think animals have?

    And what animals have those rights?
    Many of today's animals do not have any rights....

    In rare cases, certain species, such as dogs and cats, are given legal protection.

    This only proves severe discrimination when it comes to animal rights.

    Species are not considered to have equal values.

    Humans cherish only the abilities which can help or suit people in certain ways.

    Cats are gentle, dogs are loyal, dolphins are friendly for example...

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    Many of today's animals do not have any rights....

    In rare cases, certain species, such as dogs and cats, are given legal protection.

    This only proves severe discrimination when it comes to animal rights.

    Species are not considered to have equal values.

    Humans cherish only the abilities which can help or suit people in certain ways.

    Cats are gentle, dogs are loyal, dolphins are friendly for example...
    Thank you for posting that rhetoric, but how about answering the questions?

    What rights do you think animals have? (or should have)

    And what animals have those rights? (or should have)
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Thank you for posting that rhetoric, but how about answering the questions?

    What rights do you think animals have? (or should have)

    And what animals have those rights? (or should have)
    I think that all animals should be treated with kindness..respect..and humanity..

    Even the ones in our food chain...

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What rights do you think animals have?
    The right not to be tortured, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And what animals have those rights?
    Those which are sentient - ie, have the brain structures that produce the experience of pain (and the experience of not wanting to experience pain). Those that have the capacity to be tortured. Determining exactly which animals meet that criteria is not simple, though. But great apes almost certainly fall into that category.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    I think that all animals should be treated with kindness..respect..and humanity..

    Even the ones in our food chain...
    I agree that no animal should be mistreated even if it's being raised to be slain and eaten, but that's not really a "right". That's just humans insisting that other humans live up to standards we set for our own conduct.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I agree that no animal should be mistreated even if it's being raised to be slain and eaten, but that's not really a "right". That's just humans insisting that other humans live up to standards we set for our own conduct.
    I don't think we need ''rules'' here..If you are a ''normal'' human being..you would not want to make animals suffer..inside you must know it is wrong...animals raised for food..must be dispatched in the quickest and most humane method possible..

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    I don't think we need ''rules'' here..If you are a ''normal'' human being..you would not want to make animals suffer..inside you must know it is wrong...animals raised for food..must be dispatched in the quickest and most humane method possible..
    We need "rules" if you want to give animals "rights". I already agreed with you that we, as humans, owe it to ourselves to be decent to animals. We don't have to be but it reflects badly on us so we set our own standards of conduct to reflect our own values. Rights are a different sort of thing. Rights have to be enforceable and that means that they must be clearly enumerated.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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