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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    BBC News - US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    Its a shame scumbag lawyers can't be punished for bringing fraudulent lawsuits like this court.There are actual cases judges have to deal with,not some **** for brains ride on the back of the short bus peta-tard lawsuit. I hope those peta-tards who filed that lawsuit have to pay for the legal fees of the person they sued as well as court costs.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    This case raises the question of what it is that imbues humans with rights

    Just today, a right winger explained that our natural rights (which I don't believe in BTW) are a result of our ability to think, hope, aspire, etc. If an animal is capable of those same things, then wouldn't it too have natural rights?
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm all for animal rights, but trying to extend human rights to an animal seems weird. The court made the right decision on this one. Human rights entails the ability to verbalize them and defend them if need be. In my opinion, it also entails having inherited certain human qualities. That said, a cluster of cells is no more a human than a blood drop from a papercut.
    A chimp wouldn't even understand the concept of rights

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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Does that mean my new pup can vote just three years from now?
    As long as acorn registers him for the Democratic Party
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This case raises the question of what it is that imbues humans with rights

    Just today, a right winger explained that our natural rights (which I don't believe in BTW) are a result of our ability to think, hope, aspire, etc. If an animal is capable of those same things, then wouldn't it too have natural rights?
    This is a good example of why our rights are what we say they are, not from some higher place or inherent. They are those things we, as a whole, are willing to fight for or to defend.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Does that mean my new pup can vote just three years from now?
    Sure, as long as he doesn't vote Democrat.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm all for animal rights, but trying to extend human rights to an animal seems weird. The court made the right decision on this one. Human rights entails the ability to verbalize them and defend them if need be. In my opinion, it also entails having inherited certain human qualities. That said, a cluster of cells is no more a human than a blood drop from a papercut.
    Me too. I'm one of the biggest animal rights people probably on this board, but I can't even see this one as being wrong. Chimps simply can't be given human rights. Chimps has no power of reasoning and limited to the smallest degree capability to articulate thoughts.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    A chimp wouldn't even understand the concept of rights
    Perhaps the lawyer watched cartoons too much as a kid and never let go... you know, Steve with his monkey translator seemed pretty intelligent to say 7 year olds. Are we sure this lawyer isn't a 7 year old?





    I agree these lawyers who brought this lawsuit should be run out of the bar and fined for such nonsense.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Tommy doesn't know what day it is.
    He doesn't know who Jesus is or what praying is.

    How can he be saved?
    From the eternal grave?
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I can't see how a chimp could have "rights". How would that even work? I do think there should be very strict animal welfare laws in place protecting primates. A chimp should certainly have more protections than a pet tarantula.
    If a serverwely mentally handicapped person can have rights then so can chimps.

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