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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    BBC News - US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    There are a few humans who throw poo, but I'm not in favor of giving apes human rights. Instead, we should give the poo throwers chimp rights only. LOL.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    BBC News - US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    I'm curious what people think about this case. I feel like chimps, as well as the other great apes, and a few other species of animal inhabit a weird in-between status. They aren't human, but they're clearly more intelligent and self-aware than the vast majority of other animal species.
    Yeah, that's just sick. Whoever is proposing that likely has some kind of mental disorder. What's next, trees? Wasn't there someone trying to sue on behalf of some deer a few years ago? Sick people.
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    Re: US chimpanzee Tommy 'has no human rights' - court

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The problem with your argument is that you're using extremely selective reasoning. On one hand people do terrible things to each other every day, yet you agree (I would hope) that we keep those things illegal. Yet when chimpanzees hunt and kill each other, you argue that it's their "natural behavior" and therefore we shouldn't temper our behavior toward them. Applied to humans we could use your reasoning to conclude that if we came upon two countries locked in warfare, it would be appropriate to step in as a third party and just start bombing and killing the bejeezus out of them because, after all, that's just what they're doing to each other and clearly they're not policing themselves. So you need to analyze more carefully why you (again, I hope) disapprove of going in and wantonly bombing everyone in that example, but find it acceptable to hunt and experiment on chimps because that's what they do to themselves (well, the hunting part that is) and they're clearly not policing themselves.
    I'm afraid I'm not using selective reasoning at all. I think you are confusing laws with rights. They're not the same thing. We can certainly write laws prohibiting the hunting of chimpanzees, but to create a right for chimpanzees that they cannot be hunted simply doesn't fly unless you don't understand the nature of rights.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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