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Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

Near the poverty line still grossly underestimates it, and your using 3% to refer to near poverty line... And my post is stupid? That's hilarious!

In all actuality the poverty line is a terrible term, and for two its always at least double. That's what your family times lower then it should be. For example the line for a family of 1 parent and three kids to live modestly and securely should be 80k a year here.
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http://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

So your "math" is comically flawed, and your percentages are horrendously off.


No the south is full of bigoted republicans. The city's are a bit more mixed. I have been their and that was plenty. It also depends on what state your in allot, and what part of that state your in (just like anywhere else)

The KKK does not willingly release member lists, so any estimates are far off...

Ummmmm no dems are communist. In fact the word "liberal" has free market market capitalism and lazze fair built right in to its core beliefs (lazze fair is the dumbest idea ever)

communism is not a bad thing (its actually a utopia technically) and no one has ever achieved communism. A communist government is a oxymoron because (under Karl Marx's definition) by achieving communism, you would no longer need or have a government. I am a socialist (again not a bad thing, much more humane and moral then capitalism) So have studied these things fairly extensively...

"Radical environmental organization" so trying to stop our or our children's impending doom is now a "radical" belief? That's possibly the nuttiest thing you said.

Their is no such thing as a radical environmental group. Their are radicals who deny the science of anthropomorphic climate change, but believing something that 97% of earth scientists and climatologists believe is not radical. Its the opposite.

I can't believe you just equated communism and environmentalism to racism... That's possible the most ignorant thing I have ever heard... It makes me sad for you, and the state of the world. Ignorance is rampant in America...



Not racist eh? That paragraph begs to differ...

Their is a education gap because schools in the inner city are crap (where the vast majority of blacks live) and public schools in general are worse than privates (mostly because of privates, and because of cons gouging the pubs to build new prisons. Like Corbett did. If rich kids had to go to public school they would be awesome) unfortunately poor youth are worthless in America. Always have been since the founding. This effects whites to, but more blacks. Its part of that vicious cycle I was talking about earlier.

Ummmmm bigot and racist are synonyms...

Oh and no I never said anything close to poverty is restricted to black people. Learn to read. It is much more likely to effect them however.
From reading your posts it is clear that the protests over Gardner, or Brown is no longer about them.
 
Near the poverty line still grossly underestimates it, and your using 3% to refer to near poverty line... And my post is stupid? That's hilarious!

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Man that math is a joke. The idea that a family of four would have to "scrape by" on 80K. I think someone has lived a super privlieged life if you think for three kids and a single parent demands 80K. My mother was disabled, and was able to take care of me, my brother, and another friend of mine who was kicked out by his mom on the disability/social security check and food stamps. And I can guarantee you that it didn't add up to no 80K, or believe me, I think we could of lived off better than generic crap. Also keep in mind this is from the EPI, not exactly the most neutral source your could of reference. I mean, I doubt would take any info from the Heritage or Cato Institutes, so let's not waste each other's time hmm? So as you say,

So your "math" is comically flawed, and your percentages are horrendously off.

Couldn't of said it better myself. 80K... maybe if they live in a mansion and have to find electricity for their ten thousand watt jacuzzi.

No the south is full of bigoted republicans. The city's are a bit more mixed. I have been their and that was plenty. It also depends on what state your in allot, and what part of that state your in (just like anywhere else)

The KKK does not willingly release member lists, so any estimates are far off...

Come on, I need a good laugh, I'd liked to know what you think the membership is of the KKK. This'll be good.

Ummmmm no dems are communist. In fact the word "liberal" has free market market capitalism and lazze fair built right in to its core beliefs (lazze fair is the dumbest idea ever)
You've obviously not met Van Jones then...

communism is not a bad thing (its actually a utopia technically) and no one has ever achieved communism. A communist government is a oxymoron because (under Karl Marx's definition) by achieving communism, you would no longer need or have a government. I am a socialist (again not a bad thing, much more humane and moral then capitalism) So have studied these things fairly extensively...

Tell that to the Chinese are living vastly superior lives once that chucked that whole communism/socialism crap out an air duct...

"Radical environmental organization" so trying to stop our or our children's impending doom is now a "radical" belief? That's possibly the nuttiest thing you said.

Their is no such thing as a radical environmental group. Their are radicals who deny the science of anthropomorphic climate change, but believing something that 97% of earth scientists and climatologists believe is not radical. Its the opposite.

I can't believe you just equated communism and environmentalism to racism... That's possible the most ignorant thing I have ever heard... It makes me sad for you, and the state of the world. Ignorance is rampant in America...

Fun fact, communist governments have killed over 94 million people in the last century. Just how many people do you think Racism killed over the last hundred years? I'll give you a hint, it's far... far... less than that. And as far as radical environmentalist, who are terrorist, it's important to note that since 2003, they've been responsible for over 300 million in property damage.

Not racist eh? That paragraph begs to differ...

Their is a education gap because schools in the inner city are crap (where the vast majority of blacks live) and public schools in general are worse than privates (mostly because of privates, and because of cons gouging the pubs to build new prisons. Like Corbett did. If rich kids had to go to public school they would be awesome) unfortunately poor youth are worthless in America. Always have been since the founding. This effects whites to, but more blacks. Its part of that vicious cycle I was talking about earlier.

Ummmmm bigot and racist are synonyms...

Oh and no I never said anything close to poverty is restricted to black people. Learn to read. It is much more likely to effect them however.

It's a little sad really. All I hear from you at this point is, "You don't think everything that is wrong in the world is because of those mean white republicans! You're a racist!" Well you can continue on your five year old tantrum as I continue discussions with the actual adults in this thread. You can have the last word, for as little worth as it is.
 
The issue here that...(snip for length)

The thing you're still not getting, and what I'm still trying to communicate somehow, is this: I'm not accusing you of a mistake of commission. I'm accusing you of a mistake of omission. Whether blacks would be systematically treated better in Japan or China is an untested hypothesis at this point, simply because of the very low percentage of blacks who live there. But if we're so concerned that a disproportionate number of blacks (and browns) are "unprofessional"--and that's a real stretch, to put it very mildly--then let's stop blaming the victim and start rebuilding social institutions that give blacks the same opportunities that whites have. Civil rights leaders don't want equality at the finish line: They want equality at the starting line.

Look the condition of the car...(snip for length)

Trying to determine whether a specific action against a person of color is racist like trying to determine whether a specific weather event is a direct result of climate change. One has to look at the bigger picture to determine the existence of both, not just specific acts.

If you seriously wonder whether such an action on your part might be construed as being racist, might I recommend attending some race and racism awareness workshops? At the expense of intense discomfort at times, they can give you the confidence to navigate situations such as the one you mentioned without breaking a sweat.

The thing with Asian-Americans is that they really don't give a **** what you think of them. They (and this also applies to Asian countries as well like Vietnam, China, and Japan) demand discipline, and do not take failure lightly. This is why I believe youths of Asian decent (or Asians in general actually) have it so much easier making the transition to more difficult arenas because they're ready to make that leap. And you talk about the Latino sentiment, I'm glad you bring that up because like I said before, in many of the statistical categories they are even moving ahead of blacks. That impresses the hell out of me, especially when you consider that a lot of them are first and second generation immigrants.

Again, systematic discrimination against Asian-Americans has been far, far lesser than against African-Americans for at least the last half-century. Go back and read up on the history of Chinatowns, and the internment of Japanese-Americans in World War II, and the treatment of Chinese migrant workers over a century ago, and you will see that whites did not always treat Asian-Americans so well.

Look, you may not like the fact that to achieve in this world you have to conform to some level, but that's just the fact. And like I said previously, this isn't just for blacks to conform to a white country, this is about Americans who want to take that next step to have to conform to a larger world that won't tolerate a lot of stuff that we get away with here.

Let me ask you something, If black people who don't have the same history with Asians were to be magically transported to say Japan or China, do you think they would succeed there? And do you think it is "racist" for them to hold blacks to the same standards I do?

You seem to want a yes-or-no answer to an essay question. That's just the thing about analyzing power systems, whether those systems involve race, gender, sex, orientation, etc. Something I have learned is that any time I am interacting with a person of color, I must be fully cognizant of all the racial dynamics in play, and I must be fully cognizant that a black or brown person perceives me as being inherently more privileged and empowered. So I can't take it personally when I get told off, or they don't smile at me, or whatever prejudiced action I might receive. And if you're about to jump on that word "prejudice," then you need to stop and try to understand what I am really saying here. Nobody, I repeat, nobody is telling you that you have to hire people of color just because they are nonwhite. All they are asking you to do is to be aware of these power structures and to not contribute to them, however justifiable you may believe your actions to be. What does that look like in practice? I don't know. Only an honest examination of ones thoughts, feelings, and subconscious biases can reveal that.

From reading your posts it is clear that the protests over Gardner, or Brown is no longer about them.

Way to address the points in his post. At least Hamster is doing so with me.

What a load of melodramatic crap.

That is probably the best refutation I've ever heard on DP! Well done! :clap:
 
Man that math is a joke. The idea that a family of four would have to "scrape by" on 80K. I think someone has lived a super privlieged life if you think for three kids and a single parent demands 80K. My mother was disabled, and was able to take care of me, my brother, and another friend of mine who was kicked out by his mom on the disability/social security check and food stamps. And I can guarantee you that it didn't add up to no 80K, or believe me, I think we could of lived off better than generic crap. Also keep in mind this is from the EPI, not exactly the most neutral source your could of reference. I mean, I doubt would take any info from the Heritage or Cato Institutes, so let's not waste each other's time hmm? So as you say,



Couldn't of said it better myself. 80K... maybe if they live in a mansion and have to find electricity for their ten thousand watt jacuzzi.



Come on, I need a good laugh, I'd liked to know what you think the membership is of the KKK. This'll be good.


You've obviously not met Van Jones then...



Tell that to the Chinese are living vastly superior lives once that chucked that whole communism/socialism crap out an air duct...



Fun fact, communist governments have killed over 94 million people in the last century. Just how many people do you think Racism killed over the last hundred years? I'll give you a hint, it's far... far... less than that. And as far as radical environmentalist, who are terrorist, it's important to note that since 2003, they've been responsible for over 300 million in property damage.



It's a little sad really. All I hear from you at this point is, "You don't think everything that is wrong in the world is because of those mean white republicans! You're a racist!" Well you can continue on your five year old tantrum as I continue discussions with the actual adults in this thread. You can have the last word, for as little worth as it is.

Your up to your ears in bs.

No actually I'm from a pretty poor family. I slept on the floor, never had a functional shower, TV, new anything, etc... Try having a clue what your talking about yes?

Epi is a good institute. Cato is crap. That's why I can bring it in and you can't.

I said to live modestly and securely. Thats where the poverty line should be really. Where people can live modestly and securely. Furthermore I set it to Philadelphia. The cost of living here is higher than the rest of the country.

From the sound of it you were raised below the actual poverty line. Like me.

The membership of the KKK is reported at 8 to ten grand. I bet its much higher though. I have no idea what, as their lists are closed.

Van Jones is about to sue fox if they keep calling him a communist. If he were he would admit it. Stop watching beck and fox. Rots your brain and spews false propaganda.

The Chinese where never communist or socialist contrary to popular opinion. They where Stalinist. Communist governments are oxymorons, and in order to be socialism the people mist control the means of production. Your just spewing more propaganda.

It would be hard for a oxymoron to kill anybody...

How have STALINIST country's killed 94 million people over the last hundred years?!?!??! If anything racism has killed closer to that number with genocides like the holocaust... Try having a clue next time yea?

Haha this is gonna be funny. How have environmentalists caused 300 million in property damage?? By regulation? Or protests? I have no idea what your talking about... And I don't care about private property that much... I think its a right for people, not corporations....

I made assertions based on what you said and the republican party has done and said. You both are racist.

So your going to make a bunch of hilariously flawed statments with 0 backing and then not respond? And who is the child here? Oh yes you are that's right...

I'm going to continue pointing out your lunacy wherever it presents itself... And I don't give a rats hind end about the last word, I care about fact. Something you seem to he allergic to.
 
Man that math is a joke. The idea that a family of four would have to "scrape by" on 80K. I think someone has lived a super privlieged life if you think for three kids and a single parent demands 80K. My mother was disabled, and was able to take care of me, my brother, and another friend of mine who was kicked out by his mom on the disability/social security check and food stamps. And I can guarantee you that it didn't add up to no 80K, or believe me, I think we could of lived off better than generic crap. Also keep in mind this is from the EPI, not exactly the most neutral source your could of reference. I mean, I doubt would take any info from the Heritage or Cato Institutes, so let's not waste each other's time hmm? So as you say,



Couldn't of said it better myself. 80K... maybe if they live in a mansion and have to find electricity for their ten thousand watt jacuzzi.



Come on, I need a good laugh, I'd liked to know what you think the membership is of the KKK. This'll be good.


You've obviously not met Van Jones then...



Tell that to the Chinese are living vastly superior lives once that chucked that whole communism/socialism crap out an air duct...



Fun fact, communist governments have killed over 94 million people in the last century. Just how many people do you think Racism killed over the last hundred years? I'll give you a hint, it's far... far... less than that. And as far as radical environmentalist, who are terrorist, it's important to note that since 2003, they've been responsible for over 300 million in property damage.



It's a little sad really. All I hear from you at this point is, "You don't think everything that is wrong in the world is because of those mean white republicans! You're a racist!" Well you can continue on your five year old tantrum as I continue discussions with the actual adults in this thread. You can have the last word, for as little worth as it is.
Oh I forgot here is a article explaining why the soviet union was never socialist.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/1986----.htm
 
"So when I say 'most of the looters were black' it is racist?
But when you say, 'of course most of the looters were black' it is proof that my statement is racist?"

You responded, "It is racist to state that all the looters are black without stating all the facts with it, and defending a obviously racist cartoon is, well, racist..."

You should have just said you had no argument or, even better, said nothing at all.

Mr. V.: "Would you like a link? Or would you like a quote?

'A caliphate is an Islamic state. It's led by a caliph, who is a political and religious leader who is a successor (caliph) to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His power and authority is absolute.'

I am beginning to believe the US has become a caliphate."
Omg Obamas not even Muslim! He never was!! His dad was...
Obama has shown, by his actions, that he is an Islamofascist supporter. He is the Father of Lies. Islamists are allowed, if not encouraged, to lie to unbelievers in order to deceive them.

He is christian (in a vein attempt to appease the insatiable right wing) but really I think he's probably secular in his heart...
Which tells me that you are acknowledging that The One on the golf course is a liar.

Actually a caliphate is not a state, its a title for a political and religious leader. Technically their is only supposed to be one, and they are supposed to be the defendants of Muhammad, but they have been arguing with each other about it since Muhammad died.

So your half right...

We can agree to disagree. The quote I took was from a web site, probably Wiki.
 
"So when I say 'most of the looters were black' it is racist?
But when you say, 'of course most of the looters were black' it is proof that my statement is racist?"

You responded, "It is racist to state that all the looters are black without stating all the facts with it, and defending a obviously racist cartoon is, well, racist..."

You should have just said you had no argument or, even better, said nothing at all.

Mr. V.: "Would you like a link? Or would you like a quote?

'A caliphate is an Islamic state. It's led by a caliph, who is a political and religious leader who is a successor (caliph) to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His power and authority is absolute.'

I am beginning to believe the US has become a caliphate."

Obama has shown, by his actions, that he is an Islamofascist supporter. He is the Father of Lies. Islamists are allowed, if not encouraged, to lie to unbelievers in order to deceive them.


Which tells me that you are acknowledging that The One on the golf course is a liar.



We can agree to disagree. The quote I took was from a web site, probably Wiki.

No it was not because then it would be correct, as a posed to half correct and half wrong.

I don't agree to disagree with people that are blatantly wrong. That would be admitting their is a possibility that they are right.

Your quoting me out of context

I said when you say all the looters are black, without aknolodging where they were, why they were looting, or the situation as a whole it is racist.

I have a very good argument. You have none, other than racism and xenophobia. Oh I forgot and lies and propaganda.

WHAT IS A ISLAMOFACIST?????????

your just as indoctrinated as the jihadists your realize and you sound equally insane....

The one on the golf course? Who is that?

God this post you made... I think i lossed a few iq points reading it...
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

The root cause of garners death was corrupt, racist pigs. And politics like neocons and democratic centrists that allows such things to flourish. Honestly I don't think you understand what the word liberal means...

Yes because conservative prolitcians have never pushed racist policy's that support the police... Oh wait their the main purveyors of such policy's that's right!

Furthermore the whole "taking your wealth" thing. Most wealth in america is Ill gotten and at the expense of others. The government needs to take some on order to support things like schools and the impoverished. Things that benefit everybody. Frankly they don't take enough and they misuse large portions of what they do.

The pigs are agents of themselves. They lobby (very successfully) for laws that benefit them, and do as the please. They have no one to answer to except the fop, which almost always pardons them and has the "right" to step in on legal proceedings and do as it pleases, blocking prosecution of pigs that should be in jail.

Can you post your address so we can make sure your ill gotten wealth is the first to be absorbed into the collective?
 
Why did you require your silly post?

The fact that the vast majority of the city is black. The way you say the looters are black without knowing/sighting the facts of the situation is indicative of racism.

Obama is not even close to a Marxist, he is not Islamic, he is certainly not fascist (god you people misuse that word ALLOT)

its a comparison. Their were people looting their that did much more property damage and got in much less trouble its indicative of the racism in america. Learn to read.

Nope pigs are pigs I call em like I see em.

Again the only sick thing here is the racism and greed that is the foundation of American libertarianism.

Your constant lack of grammar and misuse of synonyms makes reading your posts very difficult.
 
Ummmm it has allot more to do with wealth than color these days. All those people grew up with a good amount of wealth (and by that I mean not dirt poor) conversely the majority of dirt poor people in America are black, largely due to racist policy's of the past.

Furthermore it is racist because their are like 8 people protesting and two looting. Theirs should have been a huge crowd protesting and two looting as that would show the real numbers better.

Its also racist because their should have been a large group of people blocking the looters, as their was allot of people (more than the looters) protecting stores as well.

It is racist. Just get over it.

Oprah grew up with wealth? I must have missed that part of her story.
 
I marched in the NYC march today. I saw no violence or anything illegal. It was a lot of positive energy and desire for a justice system that actually does justice.
 
How so? All i see is a bunch of Anti-White twaddle created by someone who then posted it on the internet.
Because that's how loads of white people think?

Its funny, if you swithch the word white with black in your post, your describing your posts to a t.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

Can you post your address so we can make sure your ill gotten wealth is the first to be absorbed into the collective?
Don't have any ill gotten wealth... I don't have any wealth at all really.... The government stole it....
 
Your constant lack of grammar and misuse of synonyms makes reading your posts very difficult.
Grammar is for sycophant and people with ocd.

Misuse of synonyms? Where? Just making stuff up I see...
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

Don't have any ill gotten wealth... I don't have any wealth at all really.... The government stole it....

You have no wealth at all?

You are typing on a computer or a phone. That is wealth.
 
Grammar is for sycophant and people with ocd.

Misuse of synonyms? Where? Just making stuff up I see...

I am not sure even if you re-read your posts you would know the difference. For example the word their has a different meaning than there.

it is tiring to try to figure out what you are trying to say.
 
I marched in the NYC march today. I saw no violence or anything illegal. It was a lot of positive energy and desire for a justice system that actually does justice.

maybe they will protest all the black on black killings or the fact that more than 3 out of 4 black children come from unmarried parents. That causes far more issues for blacks than a few thugs or miscreants being subjected to perhaps too much force by cops
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

The blame should be on capitalism. That's why so many black groups are socialist, because socialism offers answers to their problems, where capitalism offers the middle finger...

Capitalism is the biggest problem with america hands down. Whoever said "let us be" (lazze fair) should have been shot on the spot...
losers being coddled by the government because they can vote is the biggest problem in America
 
maybe they will protest all the black on black killings or the fact that more than 3 out of 4 black children come from unmarried parents.

How about the Libertarian-Rights in your GOP who out the other side of their mouth are against the
aborting of these black children from unmarried parents you mention?

Or the Libertarian-Rights who are against birth-control and defend personhood, as do many of the new GOP Senators?

For a GOP against government control, sure sounds like you guys want to control Black SEX lives.
You know, Newt Gingrich's comment on right-wing social engineering .
 
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How about the Libertarian-Rights in your GOP who out the other side of their mouth are against the aborting of these black children from unmarried parents you mention?
Or the Libertarian-Rights who are against birth-control and defend personhood, as do many of the new GOP Senators?

For a GOP against government control, sure sounds like you guys want to control Black SEX lives.
You know, Newt Gingrich's comment on right-wing social engineering .

Hey NIMBY, I support abortion rights. This is an area where I bash the bible wing of the GOP.
 
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