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Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

I apologize, but I am not following here...Could you help me out?
I thought it was obvious.

Before the Nazi's over took Germany they were no threat and many people laughed at the idea. I see many similarities abound with the occupiers. The ideologies are very different but both movements are very close in nature. Get the public to hate the government. Get the public to hate private industry. Get the public to hate a certain groups of people. Place all blame on those groups, entities and the government. Incite a revolution.

Hell they even have their own salute. Its just the Extreme Lefts version. This isnt something that we should let fester into a head.

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And a majority of black people are poor because of institutionalized racism back in the day. Its a vicious cycle. Don't you get it yet?

Ummm I said the majority of dirt poor people in America are black.... Not the majority of Black's are poor... Big diff... I believe that 30% is higher than any other race still, and if you do it by actual numbers I know their the majority...

The poverty line is greatly skewed. The reason is it hasn't accounted for cost of living increases since its inception. If you want the real number below the actual poverty line you need to lump in large portions of the lower middle class to. Nice try tho...

Actually they were. Only 17 got looted. Compare that with the watts riots or even the pumpkin riots in ct....

What you need to admit is black people have been poor since Jim crow and before, and thats why they remain poor. Because like you admitted, its all about what you start with. If you don't start with anything, your highly likely to end the same...

But Black people aren't poor! Look, if you're going to paint with a broad brush and generalize, the least you can do is talking about the majority of the population you are talking about. 30% isn't the majority of Black people for one, and even if we're just talking about "all dirt poor people" you're still wrong. Newsflash: Whites outnumber Blacks in this country 5:1. So let's say with whites, those who live below (or near, all of these numbers I forget to mention include those near the poverty line so stop with that nonsense) the poverty line are 15%. This is simple math dubz: which is more? 30% of 40 Million or 15% of 225 Million?

Bottom line: Poverty isn't restricted to black people, you'd realize this though if you weren't so, what was it called me? Oh yeah... racist.

The only person you mentioned who didn't start well off is jay z. He got VERY LUCKY and had the assistance of of someone who did start with money (but was also black) named damson dash.

Also its always been easier to come from nothing if your a talented artist. Since the Renaissance at least.

Your wrong, racism is still very much at play, and these are the aftereffects of Jim crow and not paying reparations...

Conservatives and republicans do hate Black's and poor. Whites its more mixed. I'm white. I got loads of black friends. The kkk, not so much...

Entertaining the idiotic ideas ends with that line for me. You've clearly demonstrated you aren't open for discussion, nor could you ever find any blame for those within the African American community. It all begins and ends with white people for you doesn't it? You realize that Blacks have been ruling themselves for a long time now in a large swath of Africa, and you know, I don't remember looking over there and seeing a Wakanda in that mix (you'll get that reference when the next Avengers comes out). Perhaps the problems aren't just with whites, just as the problem isn't with blacks alone. We work better as a society, when we work together.

Maybe you find you have to justify yourself to your "loads of black friends", that you feel guilty for things you've never done. In which case, I feel pity for you. Any time one feels they must justify their opinion with "I have friends of different color", no matter which side of the argument they are, just shows that they've nothing left to offer to a discussion except to justify their inane, and idiotic ideas.

Good day.
 
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Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

I thought it was obvious.

Before the Nazi's over took Germany they were no threat and many people laughed at the idea. I see many similarities abound with the occupiers. The ideologies are very different but both movements are very close in nature. Get the public to hate the government. Get the public to hate private industry. Get the public to hate a certain groups of people. Place all blame on those groups, entities and the government. Incite a revolution.

Hell they even have their own salute. Its just the Extreme Lefts version. This isnt something that we should let fester into a head.

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Are you okay? Your back has got to be killing you after making that much of a push to connect Occupiers with Nazis...
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

Are you okay? Your back has got to be killing you after making that much of a push to connect Occupiers with Nazis...

No despite your ignorance I did not connect the Occupiers with Nazis. I compared the dangers of a movement aimed at toppling a government by attacking the fabric of society.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

No despite your ignorance I did not connect the Occupiers with Nazis. I compared the dangers of a movement aimed at toppling a government by attacking the fabric of society.

Oh you are most clearly drawing a comparison between Occupiers and Nazis. You even mention them by name in fact. Your intent may be to speak of the dangers of a movement going to far, but to then go and name the Nazis, even referencing and comparing salutes, you've gone to far there.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

Oh you are most clearly drawing a comparison between Occupiers and Nazis. You even mention them by name in fact. Your intent may be to speak of the dangers of a movement going to far, but to then go and name the Nazis, even referencing and comparing salutes, you've gone to far there.

Too far? WTF does that mean? Are you going to do something or some ****?
 
In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).

When you talk like this, you are dismissing the narrative of the many, many, many people of color who claim to be systematically discriminated against, and you imply that you understand the situation better than they. If you are not familiar with this study, you need to read the summary.

Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

For Example:

Again, you dismiss people of color's narratives when you talk like this. You're being calm, yes, but you're also being incredibly-tone deaf. What you refuse to understand is that it is your white privilege that allows you to talk like this in the first place. Blacks and browns do not have that choice, because it is systematically denied to them. And the fact that a lucky few blacks are multi-millionaires does absolutely nothing to contradict this fact.

Why should they respect authority? Because you will go much further in this world when you do. That even goes for me when I go overseas and work with my Chinese and Japanese counterparts. In fact, if you go to those countries, you'll find the same demand for respect and conformity that you do with Whites here. Beyond that, I really don't have much more to say to you.

I am in no position to give an honest appraisal of racial dynamics from any perspective other than that which I have gained by listening to people of color; that is because my white privilege has blinded me from having to intuit these dynamics just to give myself a chance to function, let alone thrive. But I can and have learned a little bit. Part of that includes the understanding that openly disrespecting a police officer is never, ever an acceptable reason for being summarily executed. Why? Besides the obvious problem of the severe overreactions, blacks HAVE tried respecting white authority, and look how well that worked for them. And don't even think about trying to retort that "that problem is in the past," because it absolutely, categorically, is not.
 
Too far? WTF does that mean? Are you going to do something or some ****?

Because we should never bring up Nazis when referencing anyone here in the US. Honestly, it's no difference than Race Baiting... might as well call it Nazi Baiting.

When you talk like this, you are dismissing the narrative of the many, many, many people of color who claim to be systematically discriminated against, and you imply that you understand the situation better than they. If you are not familiar with this study, you need to read the summary.

Again, you dismiss people of color's narratives when you talk like this. You're being calm, yes, but you're also being incredibly-tone deaf. What you refuse to understand is that it is your white privilege that allows you to talk like this in the first place. Blacks and browns do not have that choice, because it is systematically denied to them. And the fact that a lucky few blacks are multi-millionaires does absolutely nothing to contradict this fact.

The issue at hand isn't whether many people of color believe they are systematically discriminated against, which I agree they do. My problem is that the line of thought just isn't the case, at least not in the way many blacks want to think it is. Many blacks, and whites for that matter, want to draw a direct line from the racist of the 50's and prior, to the ones that blacks call out today. But the issue is that it isn't the same (and to your credit, you've acknowledged that isn't the case). Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about, from my own experience. There's been a few blacks I've had interviews scheduled with, and the moment they stepped through the door, I told them to turn around and leave. Not because they were black;, I was fully cognoscente of that when I asked them to come in. My problem, is that if you are going to come in looking like your some thug from the streets, I don't want any part of you. Because if I should hire him, I'm taking the risk that this guy doesn't try to rob us blind.

That is what was going on with that study; why take the chance on a black kid when their are equally qualified whites? It's not racism though because that line of thought isn't without merit. We all know the statistics by now; 1 in 4 African American Adult Males are felons, half of the homicides that are committed in this country are blacks despite the fact they only make up an eighth of the population (with 90% of those blacks killed in black on black crime), blacks have the highest dropout rates, etc. This all is on top of the fact that the black culture isn't exactly conducive to a professional atmosphere, to say the least. All of the above means that blacks are behind the eight ball in terms of starting out.
 
I am in no position to give an honest appraisal of racial dynamics from any perspective other than that which I have gained by listening to people of color; that is because my white privilege has blinded me from having to intuit these dynamics just to give myself a chance to function, let alone thrive. But I can and have learned a little bit. Part of that includes the understanding that openly disrespecting a police officer is never, ever an acceptable reason for being summarily executed. Why? Besides the obvious problem of the severe overreactions, blacks HAVE tried respecting white authority, and look how well that worked for them. And don't even think about trying to retort that "that problem is in the past," because it absolutely, categorically, is not.

You wouldn't deny though that things have vastly improved for the average black though I assume yes? For instance, do you think that at any point before the 1960's, a black man could of ever been elected president? I'll say it again, the problems that face a black man/woman today, are not the same ones they (and by they, I mean their grandparents in most cases) had to go through. All these people who are protesting now will never have to worry about the fire hoses being turned on them or dogs being sicked on them, just because they want to vote. And as far as listening to blacks, let me point out that there's a problem when you are only hearing from one side of the story. I don't think they should be completely ignored; but I don't think everything they say about race should be taken as gospel with no consideration of the other side.

And by the way, there is hope. Look at New Orleans by the way and what they've done to drastically improve their schools and with it, the lives of blacks in that city. Prior to Katrina, the majority black city had a joke of a school system. I think the statistic was that in 2004, only around 33% of the city passed tests at basic level. Since the implementation of a charter system in the aftermath of Katrina, that number has doubled to almost 67%. In fact, New Orleans is on the precipice of setting history of being the first predominantly black school district to out perform it's mostly white state. I believe if a system like they have in New Orleans was implemented nationwide in these Urban areas, we would see a vast improvement in the quality of education and more importantly, the plight of blacks in this country.
 
The issue at hand isn't whether many people of color believe they are systematically discriminated against, which I agree they do. My problem is that the line of thought just isn't the case, at least not in the way many blacks want to think it is. Many blacks, and whites for that matter, want to draw a direct line from the racist of the 50's and prior, to the ones that blacks call out today. But the issue is that it isn't the same (and to your credit, you've acknowledged that isn't the case). Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about, from my own experience. There's been a few blacks I've had interviews scheduled with, and the moment they stepped through the door, I told them to turn around and leave. Not because they were black;, I was fully cognoscente of that when I asked them to come in. My problem, is that if you are going to come in looking like your some thug from the streets, I don't want any part of you. Because if I should hire him, I'm taking the risk that this guy doesn't try to rob us blind.

Oh you're in HR or at least have HR duties? Man, I don't envy that...

OK. This won't be easy, but if you're serious about addressing this issue, you'll stay with me here. Let's try to put ourselves in that rejected man's shoes. How is he supposed to know that his race had no factor, however small, in determining his instant rejection? Blacks are painfully aware of people's subconscious preference for white people over black people in almost every walk of life. They don't have to read the studies or look at the statistics, because they feel racism in every aspect of our lives. They do not choose to be victims of racism; this is simply the existing reality with which they must contend. That, Hamster, is where you're stuck. You don't get what blacks have been desperately trying to tell whites for a long, long, long time. You choose to not understand that their anger against us is a direct result of their pain from us.

Examine your white privilege honestly. Try it. It's worth the initial discomfort. Take it from this white guy who didn't even accept the fact that it was a thing for much of his life.

That is what was going on with that study; why take the chance on a black kid when their are equally qualified whites? It's not racism though because that line of thought isn't without merit. We all know the statistics by now; 1 in 4 African American Adult Males are felons, half of the homicides that are committed in this country are blacks despite the fact they only make up an eighth of the population (with 90% of those blacks killed in black on black crime), blacks have the highest dropout rates, etc. This all is on top of the fact that the black culture isn't exactly conducive to a professional atmosphere, to say the least. All of the above means that blacks are behind the eight ball in terms of starting out.

With all due deference to your job, if you can't see how that contributes to the cycle of systematic discrimination, then you really can't see the problem itself. Unless we were to live in a lily-white community--and I don't want that--it is imperative to be culturally sensitive in matters such as these. For instance, if a truly unqualified candidate who is black is summarily rejected for an open position, and he starts lashing out verbally at you, then you have a clear responsibility to not let his disrespect cause you to exhibit poor judgment in a way that will cause him harm. This is the critical moment when Darren Wilson and Daniel Pantaleo failed. And I ask you, were this to happen to you: Do you have a game plan ready to execute that will both serve the best interests of your organization and preserve his civil rights?
 
You wouldn't deny though that things have vastly improved for the average black though I assume yes? For instance, do you think that at any point before the 1960's, a black man could of ever been elected president? I'll say it again, the problems that face a black man/woman today, are not the same ones they (and by they, I mean their grandparents in most cases) had to go through. All these people who are protesting now will never have to worry about the fire hoses being turned on them or dogs being sicked on them, just because they want to vote. And as far as listening to blacks, let me point out that there's a problem when you are only hearing from one side of the story. I don't think they should be completely ignored; but I don't think everything they say about race should be taken as gospel with no consideration of the other side.

I saw a pic in my Facebook feed this morning that perfectly answers this.

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And by the way, there is hope. Look at New Orleans by the way and what they've done to drastically improve their schools and with it, the lives of blacks in that city. Prior to Katrina, the majority black city had a joke of a school system. I think the statistic was that in 2004, only around 33% of the city passed tests at basic level. Since the implementation of a charter system in the aftermath of Katrina, that number has doubled to almost 67%. In fact, New Orleans is on the precipice of setting history of being the first predominantly black school district to out perform it's mostly white state. I believe if a system like they have in New Orleans was implemented nationwide in these Urban areas, we would see a vast improvement in the quality of education and more importantly, the plight of blacks in this country.

Don't get me started on what has happened to New Orleans's school system. Plus, simply displacing people and replacing them with more well-to-do people does not solve the root problem.
 
I saw a pic in my Facebook feed this morning that perfectly answers this.

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Don't get me started on what has happened to New Orleans's school system. Plus, simply displacing people and replacing them with more well-to-do people does not solve the root problem.




Utterly stupid, even Garner's wife says it's not about race, as did Akai Gurley's family which is why you don't list him and instead list that store robbing cop robbing thug, brown.


It's insulting to lump garner who was attacked by a cop with a history of bad behavior to ferguson which was a thug attacking a cop and getting properly shot for it.


It's a cop/citizen issue, not a black/white one/
 
Oh you're in HR or at least have HR duties? Man, I don't envy that...

OK. This won't be easy, but if you're serious about addressing this issue, you'll stay with me here. Let's try to put ourselves in that rejected man's shoes. How is he supposed to know that his race had no factor, however small, in determining his instant rejection? Blacks are painfully aware of people's subconscious preference for white people over black people in almost every walk of life. They don't have to read the studies or look at the statistics, because they feel racism in every aspect of our lives. They do not choose to be victims of racism; this is simply the existing reality with which they must contend. That, Hamster, is where you're stuck. You don't get what blacks have been desperately trying to tell whites for a long, long, long time. You choose to not understand that their anger against us is a direct result of their pain from us.

Examine your white privilege honestly. Try it. It's worth the initial discomfort. Take it from this white guy who didn't even accept the fact that it was a thing for much of his life.

If you were to say I was racist to black culture, then there you may be onto something. I absolutely despise the thuggery language, the rap, the pants hanging to their knees and all of that, especially when you bring it to a place of business I work for or am a manager at. But keep in mind, that's how the world is; this isn't a phenomenon that is isolated to the US or even white people. If that same black man tries to go up and get a professional job in places in Asia, they're more likely to spit on them before showing them the door. And I have a very similar mindset to them when it comes to presenting an hint of professionalism when you come. You don't have to be wearing Hickey Freeman to impress me though, just don't come in look like you from the streets. And by the way, if I a white kid came in dressed like that, as I've seen before, then I'm showing him the door just as quick. There's an old saying, you dress for the job you want.

Now if that black man comes to me dressed in the best he can find, and acts respectful and sounds like he can string together a series of words without making himself look like an idiot, then I'll work with him through whatever he's got going on. And for those that I've worked with in the past, that's all that matters. I had a man that came to me once looking for a job, he was an older man, probably in his thirties when I fist met him (I was like 21 at the time, I think). He came in with the absolute worst condition clothes I'd ever seen; his pants I assumed used to be some sort of blue but had been faded and you could see the bleach stains on them and I also noticed a couple holes on the left arm of his coat. He didn't say much actually, and it wasn't until I was looking over his application (there's a team of us that looks through applications and the woman who would of taken his interview was out sick) was that I realized that he wasn't born here, he was from Kenya I think. But what he lacked in style or even language skills, he more than made up for in initiative and just pure desire. I could tell how much he really wanted the job, and for me that's all I needed to know.

Bottom line: that desire to work, to push yourself to do your very best, that's not a black or white trait. It's a human trait, and in my experience, there's just as many if not more white's that don't have it as blacks.
 
With all due deference to your job, if you can't see how that contributes to the cycle of systematic discrimination, then you really can't see the problem itself. Unless we were to live in a lily-white community--and I don't want that--it is imperative to be culturally sensitive in matters such as these. For instance, if a truly unqualified candidate who is black is summarily rejected for an open position, and he starts lashing out verbally at you, then you have a clear responsibility to not let his disrespect cause you to exhibit poor judgment in a way that will cause him harm. This is the critical moment when Darren Wilson and Daniel Pantaleo failed. And I ask you, were this to happen to you: Do you have a game plan ready to execute that will both serve the best interests of your organization and preserve his civil rights?

Well, this isn't really what happened in the Darren Wilson case but, I'll still roll with it. It's happened a couple of times and I've even been called a racist a few times as well. "You don't like how I look because I'm black, you're a racist!" And I'll tell them in a calm fashion, "It has nothing to do with the color of your skin, but in the manner you chose to present yourself." I've had one that actually reapplied about a year later and I decided I'd give him another shot. Needless to say he was much better dressed and better behaved. As I recall, he actually did a superb job once he was hired, I don't ever recall hearing him receiving a write up. He even apologized to me up front, which I appreciated and understand that's a hard thing for any man to do.

Let me put it to you another way: if there is a systemic racism that exists in the system, it's not due to whites thinking their superior to black people. But what does have to do with, is the current state of black society in this country today which is no small part related to poor access to good quality education (I'm surprised you disapprove of New Orleans Charter system, where the majority of students are still black so it's not like they've moved in a bunch of privileged white kids to boost their scores. I don't think it's a small feat for any predominantly black community to outscore their white counterparts, and that achievement should be celebrated.) and a system of drug laws that have hammered the African American community. I mean, you wouldn't try to imply that the system is loaded against other races would you? Look at how well Asians are doing in this country, they're far ahead of Whites in almost every major category worth mentioning, and it wasn't long ago that we had concentration camps to lock up those dirty japs. Or even with Hispanics, who many are first or second generation immigrants, and yet have still managed to push farther then blacks in several areas. There is some deep fundamental flaws within the African-American community that must be addressed before we can clearly see just how much "racism" holds them back.
 
Because we should never bring up Nazis when referencing anyone here in the US. Honestly, it's no difference than Race Baiting... might as well call it Nazi Baiting.

Nazi baiting? FFS if Nazism cant be used then Ill ****ing use Commies or will that offend you too? Either way the lessons of WW2 need to be remembered whether you like it or not.


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"She wants to see a world revolution, starting with a popular uprising against the financial executives who plunder society without contributing any social utility. She hopes that her work will result in a friendlier and more compassionate society."

Most occupier want to end our government here in the US and replace it with something else. But they dont stop there they want a reboot of society. They want you, me and everyone to act like they do. ANd everyone that doesnt are part of the problem we are the enemy. If I stand up for my country they attack me as if I were a Nazi, so no I wont conform to your silly demands to not compare occupiers to other historical ****heads.
 
But Black people aren't poor! Look, if you're going to paint with a broad brush and generalize, the least you can do is talking about the majority of the population you are talking about. 30% isn't the majority of Black people for one, and even if we're just talking about "all dirt poor people" you're still wrong. Newsflash: Whites outnumber Blacks in this country 5:1. So let's say with whites, those who live below (or near, all of these numbers I forget to mention include those near the poverty line so stop with that nonsense) the poverty line are 15%. This is simple math dubz: which is more? 30% of 40 Million or 15% of 225 Million?

Bottom line: Poverty isn't restricted to black people, you'd realize this though if you weren't so, what was it called me? Oh yeah... racist.



Entertaining the idiotic ideas ends with that line for me. You've clearly demonstrated you aren't open for discussion, nor could you ever find any blame for those within the African American community. It all begins and ends with white people for you doesn't it? You realize that Blacks have been ruling themselves for a long time now in a large swath of Africa, and you know, I don't remember looking over there and seeing a Wakanda in that mix (you'll get that reference when the next Avengers comes out). Perhaps the problems aren't just with whites, just as the problem isn't with blacks alone. We work better as a society, when we work together.

Maybe you find you have to justify yourself to your "loads of black friends", that you feel guilty for things you've never done. In which case, I feel pity for you. Any time one feels they must justify their opinion with "I have friends of different color", no matter which side of the argument they are, just shows that they've nothing left to offer to a discussion except to justify their inane, and idiotic ideas.

Good day.

'Facepalm' you obviously did not read the post. I told you the poverty rate is horrendously flawed because they haven't accounted for cost of living increases since 1964.

It should be more like 50% for blacks, and higher for all other sections to.

So whites outnumber Black's 5:1. Their are 197 million whites in America and 45 million blacks. The number of poor blacks is 13.5 mill and whites 19. If America where fair and not racist then their wouldn't only be a 6 million person difference between a group with 1/4 of the population.

They do not include those near the poverty line, and the poverty line should be much higher. Your willfully ignorant on the matter or just ignorant.

Your the racist and I never said it was. I said it DISPRAPORTIONALITY EFFECTS BLACKS. please don't put words in my mouth bigot.

I am open for discussion with those that have a clue what they are talking about.

How many KKK members are not republican or libertarian? How about peckerwoods? Oh yea none that's right...

No it all begins and ends with the establishment. Your really good at making things up I didn't say.

I don't see how blacks ruling themselves in Africa is at all relevant.

That's the problem people don't work together, and for a large part its because white people don't want to do what's necessary to undue the racism of the last 300 years in this country.

I don't. Bigots like you that want to do nothing to help ALL poor people do. Furthermore my family was quakers (aka abolitionists) and Jews in Russia that came over 100 years ago.

Your blatant bigotry shows you have nothing to offer, and have immature and generally racist thoughts about the state of the country and world.
 
"So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?"

Hahhahaa

You know you come off as a bigot in these posts right?
Do I?

What's a caliphate again?
Would you like a link? Or would you like a quote?

A caliphate is an Islamic state. It's led by a caliph, who is a political and religious leader who is a successor (caliph) to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His power and authority is absolute.​

I am beginning to believe the US has become a caliphate.
 
"You do realize that you are boring, don't you? The majority of the looter were black. It is a fact when I say it and it is a fact when, a few sentences later you admitted it."
You do realize your ignorance is showing right?
In your opinion were the majority of the Furgeson looters black?
 
If you were to say I was racist to black culture, then there you may be onto something. I absolutely...

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And if you would seek out black voices, you would find that they have these very same concerns, both with the way some of their own dress and behave and the way that all of them are systematically treated. That's just the thing: it's not an either-or choice. I don't like sagging pants either, but you know what? Sagging pants don't infringe upon my freedom. I think "ghetto"-looking cars are trashy, but you know what? They don't infringe upon my freedom. But if I were to fall into the trap of letting a few people whose dress and vehicle choice I dislike turn into a degree of hatred, however slight, then at best I am doing nothing to help the bigger situation.

Well, this isn't really what happened in the Darren Wilson case but, I'll still roll with it. It's happened a couple of times and I've even been called a racist a few times as well. "You don't like how I look because I'm black, you're a racist!" And I'll tell them in a calm fashion, "It has nothing to do with the color of your skin, but in the manner you chose to present yourself." I've had one that actually reapplied about a year later and I decided I'd give him another shot. Needless to say he was much better dressed and better behaved. As I recall, he actually did a superb job once he was hired, I don't ever recall hearing him receiving a write up. He even apologized to me up front, which I appreciated and understand that's a hard thing for any man to do.

Let me put it to you another way: if there is a systemic racism that exists in the system, it's not due to whites thinking their superior to black people. But what does have to do with, is the current state of black society in this country today which is no small part related to poor access to good quality education (I'm surprised you disapprove of New Orleans Charter system, where the majority of students are still black so it's not like they've moved in a bunch of privileged white kids to boost their scores. I don't think it's a small feat for any predominantly black community to outscore their white counterparts, and that achievement should be celebrated.) and a system of drug laws that have hammered the African American community. I mean, you wouldn't try to imply that the system is loaded against other races would you? Look at how well Asians are doing in this country, they're far ahead of Whites in almost every major category worth mentioning, and it wasn't long ago that we had concentration camps to lock up those dirty japs. Or even with Hispanics, who many are first or second generation immigrants, and yet have still managed to push farther then blacks in several areas. There is some deep fundamental flaws within the African-American community that must be addressed before we can clearly see just how much "racism" holds them back.

At least you acknowledge the possibility of systematic racism. But then you fall into the old trap of blaming the victims without recognizing why a disproportionate number of blacks behave in ways that most whites do not approve of. It's like playing a rigged game, and if you get desperate enough, you just might resort to cheating, or worse. That and poverty, I believe, are the main fuels of bad behavior from blacks. Give them true justice and opportunity, let it set in as a fundamental part of our society, and I guarantee you that the situation will change overnight.

A word about Asian-Americans. They, too, were systematically oppressed as you mentioned, but right around the time that the civil rights movement picked up steam, the powers-that-be suddenly began to patronize them as a "model minority," which really meant that they didn't buck the system to try to overcome their oppression. And all of a sudden, once that was lifted, the fates of Asian-Americans made a change for the better! It was almost like the anti-Latino sentiment in reverse. I specifically remember conservative white Americans' repeatedly patronizing Latinos over a decade ago, but now, the talk has become much nastier.
 
Utterly stupid, even Garner's wife says it's not about race, as did Akai Gurley's family which is why you don't list him and instead list that store robbing cop robbing thug, brown.


It's insulting to lump garner who was attacked by a cop with a history of bad behavior to ferguson which was a thug attacking a cop and getting properly shot for it.


It's a cop/citizen issue, not a black/white one/

To the protestors it's absolutely about race. If Eric Garner was anything but black, we wouldn't even know who he is and the protestors wouldn't give a rat's ass.
 
*sigh* I'm actually going to have to go line by line because your post is do stupid.

'Facepalm' you obviously did not read the post. I told you the poverty rate is horrendously flawed because they haven't accounted for cost of living increases since 1964.

It should be more like 50% for blacks, and higher for all other sections to.

So whites outnumber Black's 5:1. Their are 197 million whites in America and 45 million blacks. The number of poor blacks is 13.5 mill and whites 19. If America where fair and not racist then their wouldn't only be a 6 million person difference between a group with 1/4 of the population.

They do not include those near the poverty line, and the poverty line should be much higher. Your willfully ignorant on the matter or just ignorant.

First off, I do include near the poverty line, and the 30% is it for Blacks, 15% is for Whites. And since this discussion has already devolved to name calling, 15% of Whites is a lot more than 19 million, the numbers I used were accurate and I double checked them to make sure. Perhaps you should do the same.

Your the racist and I never said it was. I said it DISPRAPORTIONALITY EFFECTS BLACKS. please don't put words in my mouth bigot.

You said it just a few lines back.

I am open for discussion with those that have a clue what they are talking about.

How many KKK members are not republican or libertarian? How about peckerwoods? Oh yea none that's right...

No it all begins and ends with the establishment. Your really good at making things up I didn't say.

Perhaps you've never lived in the south, so I can forgive your ignorance but the reality is that most everyone in the South is Democrat... they just don't vote a long party lines anymore, even the racist. I had a Grandfather who was actually a politician and he was a Democrat, made everyone else in the family convert. He's dead now, died back in the 80's before I was born, but yeah. Besides, how big do you think the KKK is today? Maybe 10 thousand, and I'm probably be generous. Besides, how many Democrats are also communist? Or member of a radical environmental organization? Both parties has it's bad apples at the fringes.

I don't see how blacks ruling themselves in Africa is at all relevant.

That's the problem people don't work together, and for a large part its because white people don't want to do what's necessary to undue the racism of the last 300 years in this country.

Well if the problem really were just with whites, you'd think that once they unshackled themselves from the oppression of the White Devil, things would be okie dorie right? Because black people would never harm their fellow man. There is no education gap between blacks and whites. It's all just the white man right?

I don't. Bigots like you that want to do nothing to help ALL poor people do. Furthermore my family was quakers (aka abolitionists) and Jews in Russia that came over 100 years ago.

Your blatant bigotry shows you have nothing to offer, and have immature and generally racist thoughts about the state of the country and world.
Just can't help yourself can you? Not four lines up you were saying I was putting words in your mouth when you called me a racist, and now you're calling me a bigot. Do you not have any consistency to your arguments?
 
And if you would seek out black voices, you would find that they have these very same concerns, both with the way some of their own dress and behave and the way that all of them are systematically treated. That's just the thing: it's not an either-or choice. I don't like sagging pants either, but you know what? Sagging pants don't infringe upon my freedom. I think "ghetto"-looking cars are trashy, but you know what? They don't infringe upon my freedom. But if I were to fall into the trap of letting a few people whose dress and vehicle choice I dislike turn into a degree of hatred, however slight, then at best I am doing nothing to help the bigger situation.

The issue here that you're not understanding though is that it matters very little what you and I think, when this is standard practice in the international business world. I'm telling you; if you removed the entirety of the black population out of the US and to say Japan or China, their lot wouldn't improve in the slightest because they also demand that same level of professionalism, hell most of the times even higher. Hell, for most of the youth in this country (I'm not just talking about Blacks mind you), I think it'd be quite the culture shock for them to have to humble themselves when they enter into let's say a Chinese business man's office. And trust me, for most of the stupid **** white people do in the States wouldn't fly either. You think someone in China or Japan is going to have anything to do with me if I come into their office looking like I just came out of a rodeo?

Look the condition of the car doesn't bother me, because you drive what you can afford. I drove a 76 Mustang for my first car, and while that may sound cool, that thing was a piece of junk, but it was all I could afford. What really matters to me, and others like me, if effort. If your come to me looking the best you can manage, then I know that you really want the job. It's as simple as that. And ultimately, I don't see that as racist because I'm judging everyone by the same high standards. What's racist about that?

At least you acknowledge the possibility of systematic racism. But then you fall into the old trap of blaming the victims without recognizing why a disproportionate number of blacks behave in ways that most whites do not approve of. It's like playing a rigged game, and if you get desperate enough, you just might resort to cheating, or worse. That and poverty, I believe, are the main fuels of bad behavior from blacks. Give them true justice and opportunity, let it set in as a fundamental part of our society, and I guarantee you that the situation will change overnight.

A word about Asian-Americans. They, too, were systematically oppressed as you mentioned, but right around the time that the civil rights movement picked up steam, the powers-that-be suddenly began to patronize them as a "model minority," which really meant that they didn't buck the system to try to overcome their oppression. And all of a sudden, once that was lifted, the fates of Asian-Americans made a change for the better! It was almost like the anti-Latino sentiment in reverse. I specifically remember conservative white Americans' repeatedly patronizing Latinos over a decade ago, but now, the talk has become much nastier.

The thing with Asian-Americans is that they really don't give a **** what you think of them. They (and this also applies to Asian countries as well like Vietnam, China, and Japan) demand discipline, and do not take failure lightly. This is why I believe youths of Asian decent (or Asians in general actually) have it so much easier making the transition to more difficult arenas because they're ready to make that leap. And you talk about the Latino sentiment, I'm glad you bring that up because like I said before, in many of the statistical categories they are even moving ahead of blacks. That impresses the hell out of me, especially when you consider that a lot of them are first and second generation immigrants.

Look, you may not like the fact that to achieve in this world you have to conform to some level, but that's just the fact. And like I said previously, this isn't just for blacks to conform to a white country, this is about Americans who want to take that next step to have to conform to a larger world that won't tolerate a lot of stuff that we get away with here.

Let me ask you something, If black people who don't have the same history with Asians were to be magically transported to say Japan or China, do you think they would succeed there? And do you think it is "racist" for them to hold blacks to the same standards I do?
 
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"So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?"


Do I?


Would you like a link? Or would you like a quote?

A caliphate is an Islamic state. It's led by a caliph, who is a political and religious leader who is a successor (caliph) to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His power and authority is absolute.​

Yes you do. It is racist to state that all the looters are black without stating all the facts with it, and defending a obviously racist cartoon is, well, racist...

I am beginning to believe the US has become a caliphate.
Omg Obamas not even Muslim! He never was!! His dad was...

He is christian (in a vein attempt to appease the insatiable right wing) but really I think he's probably secular in his heart...

Actually a caliphate is not a state, its a title for a political and religious leader. Technically their is only supposed to be one, and they are supposed to be the defendants of Muhammad, but they have been arguing with each other about it since Muhammad died.

So your half right...
 
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*sigh* I'm actually going to have to go line by line because your post is do stupid.



First off, I do include near the poverty line, and the 30% is it for Blacks, 15% is for Whites. And since this discussion has already devolved to name calling, 15% of Whites is a lot more than 19 million, the numbers I used were accurate and I double checked them to make sure. Perhaps you should do the same.



You said it just a few lines back.



Perhaps you've never lived in the south, so I can forgive your ignorance but the reality is that most everyone in the South is Democrat... they just don't vote a long party lines anymore, even the racist. I had a Grandfather who was actually a politician and he was a Democrat, made everyone else in the family convert. He's dead now, died back in the 80's before I was born, but yeah. Besides, how big do you think the KKK is today? Maybe 10 thousand, and I'm probably be generous. Besides, how many Democrats are also communist? Or member of a radical environmental organization? Both parties has it's bad apples at the fringes.



Well if the problem really were just with whites, you'd think that once they unshackled themselves from the oppression of the White Devil, things would be okie dorie right? Because black people would never harm their fellow man. There is no education gap between blacks and whites. It's all just the white man right?


Just can't help yourself can you? Not four lines up you were saying I was putting words in your mouth when you called me a racist, and now you're calling me a bigot. Do you not have any consistency to your arguments?

Near the poverty line still grossly underestimates it, and your using 3% to refer to near poverty line... And my post is stupid? That's hilarious!

In all actuality the poverty line is a terrible term, and for two its always at least double. That's what your family times lower then it should be. For example the line for a family of 1 parent and three kids to live modestly and securely should be 80k a year here.
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http://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

So your "math" is comically flawed, and your percentages are horrendously off.


No the south is full of bigoted republicans. The city's are a bit more mixed. I have been their and that was plenty. It also depends on what state your in allot, and what part of that state your in (just like anywhere else)

The KKK does not willingly release member lists, so any estimates are far off...

Ummmmm no dems are communist. In fact the word "liberal" has free market market capitalism and lazze fair built right in to its core beliefs (lazze fair is the dumbest idea ever)

communism is not a bad thing (its actually a utopia technically) and no one has ever achieved communism. A communist government is a oxymoron because (under Karl Marx's definition) by achieving communism, you would no longer need or have a government. I am a socialist (again not a bad thing, much more humane and moral then capitalism) So have studied these things fairly extensively...

"Radical environmental organization" so trying to stop our or our children's impending doom is now a "radical" belief? That's possibly the nuttiest thing you said.

Their is no such thing as a radical environmental group. Their are radicals who deny the science of anthropomorphic climate change, but believing something that 97% of earth scientists and climatologists believe is not radical. Its the opposite.

I can't believe you just equated communism and environmentalism to racism... That's possible the most ignorant thing I have ever heard... It makes me sad for you, and the state of the world. Ignorance is rampant in America...

Well if the problem really were just with whites, you'd think that once they unshackled themselves from the oppression of the White Devil, things would be okie dorie right? Because black people would never harm their fellow man. There is no education gap between blacks and whites. It's all just the white man right?

Not racist eh? That paragraph begs to differ...

Their is a education gap because schools in the inner city are crap (where the vast majority of blacks live) and public schools in general are worse than privates (mostly because of privates, and because of cons gouging the pubs to build new prisons. Like Corbett did. If rich kids had to go to public school they would be awesome) unfortunately poor youth are worthless in America. Always have been since the founding. This effects whites to, but more blacks. Its part of that vicious cycle I was talking about earlier.

Ummmmm bigot and racist are synonyms...

Oh and no I never said anything close to poverty is restricted to black people. Learn to read. It is much more likely to effect them however.
 
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