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Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

Misterveritis said:
Now that required some emotion combined with little thought. Pigs? What are you seventy?

Are you arguing that the rioters have not plundered their neighbors only more directly than the government usually does? I have seen plenty of video showing people helping themselves to other peoples stuff. Most of the looters were black.
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"Most of the looters where black" racist much? If this happened in south philly or northeast Philly or Boston more looters would be white. Looting has to do with opportunity and poverty, not race. 90% of Ferguson is black. Of course the looters were black. Look up the pumpkin riot in ct that was mostly white college kids.

No I'm not seventy, and yes pigs are pigs their are VERY FEW cops in america, and they are all drug down by the fop and they still enforce racist and unconstitutional laws. All cops need to pay out of pocket for the damages and crimes of their gang.

The government has plundered poor neighborhoods through racist enforcement, disenfranchisement, and illegal laws, leaving the wealthier ones much more untouched. No I'm not talking about taxes either...

You sir are the one with little thought or fore sight.
 
Simple ignorance on parade is american libertarianism. Or just greed. Really a mix of the two. Its a ideology made up by corporatists in the 40s and 50s. The word libertarian actually means anarcho socialism historically, it has been twisted to a perverse level by the American corporatists like Volker and kolch.

The evidence of racism is attacking a man for selling cigarrettes and continuing to do so when he says he can't breath. If you can't see that, your just to far gone.



It makes perfect sense. That's all that's left in American politics. Centrist dems and neocons.

I group all libertarians and conservatives in the group of greedy/ignorant people.

I am a anarcho socialist. Which does not mean I do not believe in state. Anarchists are supposed to think the government can have power, but always questions the reasons for said power and do away with it once it is no longer needed. This provides for a gradual slide into a stateless utopia (otherwise known as communism) albeit it would take some time... Libertarians want to run towards statelessness like a chicken with its head cut off going towards the butcher. Its greed and ignorance that drives libertarianism.

Racist policy's supported by conservatives let's see... Drug laws, slashing aid to the poor, killing public education, opposing universal healthcare, all the recent wars they started, trying to defund the ACA, allowing the "free" market to feed the poor crap, support of john birch society, attacking immigrants, the list goes on and on and on...

"Black useful idiots" more racism I see...
And their are no "radical leftists" that's a joke right?

Furthermore as far as I know the only really illegal thing Obama has done is drone strikes. Bush started a whole war over absolutely nothing!

The pigs render no service. They need to be replaced and punished for their criminal actions. I'm not scared of black people, I have loads of black, white, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic friends. Me thinks you are...

No I support a better non evil system, that actually takes care of people. Not no system, that's savagery. Furthermore this country has been extremely corrupt since its founding. The founders (save Benjamin rush) were all imperialist, racist, mysogenistic guys that only wanted to expand their own powers and curtail the populist revolution they saw coming.

They would be corporatists, not liberals. You should look up what the term liberal really means. Their is a reason american libertarians call themselves "original liberals" however I don't agree with either philosophy. For now I think socialist direct democracy is the way to go, with a goal of achieving communism eventually. I also don't think public property is a human right as I'm sure you do (the un agrees FYI) that does not mean shouldn't be allowed to own property, but its not a human right...

Flat taxes work if you do away with all loopholes. Otherwise its just another windfall for the rich. Furthermore the wealthiest should have to pay more, because they benefit the most. Frankly I think wealth should be capped, along with poverty.

Swing and a miss im 26 and until recently was making 40k a year... I decided to go back to school however... I don't steal.

FYI my definitions of american libertarianism and anarchist come from Noam Chomsky. Have fun arguing with a PhD of literature from Harvard about words...
 
Misterveritis said:
Before the revolution I gently suggest that you spend some time to get an education. After the revolution it will be too late.
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Wrong after it will be free and deplorable private schools outlawed. Equal playing field.
 
Misterveritis said:
If the laws are unconstitutional shouldn't overturning them be your target? Police enforce the laws on the books. And liberals have made many of the worst of them. Imagine how swift the retribution would have been if Garner's last drink had been over that size allowed by New York City law...
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No cons made the worst of them. Who started the drug war? Who started Jim crow laws? (dems when they were conservative) who cracked out the police force in recent years?

No I want to overthrow a corrupt and greedy system. That's my goal. The founders were corrupt (save Ben rush) and the corruption never stopped.

You do realize the man who made NYPD so crazy and ruthless (Guliani) was a Republican? I mean, you really don't understand who did what up here if you don't know that...
 
apdst said:
What would be a good way to described Leftist outrage at policemen enforcing the laws that politicians make?
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Gross negligence and general corruption.

Police actually arnt required to enforce laws where their is no eminant danger. They may get fired for it, but technically they can use disgression. Furthermore jury's are supposed to have power to change laws through nullification, but that practice is all but outlawed.

And the police step outside the law all the time as they did here. That's my problem with them. Their not supposed to choke a man to death. They could have talked to him.
 
"Now that required some emotion combined with little thought. Pigs? What are you seventy?

Are you arguing that the rioters have not plundered their neighbors only more directly than the government usually does? I have seen plenty of video showing people helping themselves to other peoples stuff. Most of the looters were black."
b_dubz said:
"Most of the looters where black" racist much?
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What do you find to be racist about a statement of fact?

If this happened in south philly or northeast Philly or Boston more looters would be white. Looting has to do with opportunity and poverty, not race.
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It happened where it happened. And looting has to do with lawlessness. You know, like our Marxist, Islamofascist supporting president with his pen and phone, like his attorney general, and with his administration in general.

90% of Ferguson is black. Of course the looters were black.
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So a fact is a fact after all.

Look up the pumpkin riot in ct that was mostly white college kids.
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What? Were we talking about Ferguson or some other place and time? Was that cartoon about Furguson or some other place? Perhaps you should take a break from posting and read a few posts first just to see how this is done.

No I'm not seventy,
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Then you are poorly channeling some hippie from the 1960s.

and yes pigs are pigs their are VERY FEW cops in america, and they are all drug down by the fop and they still enforce racist and unconstitutional laws. All cops need to pay out of pocket for the damages and crimes of their gang.

The government has plundered poor neighborhoods through racist enforcement, disenfranchisement, and illegal laws, leaving the wealthier ones much more untouched. No I'm not talking about taxes either...

You sir are the one with little thought or fore sight.
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I am amused. This is pretty sick, goofy stuff.
 
b_dubz said:
No cons made the worst of them. Who started the drug war? Who started Jim crow laws? (dems when they were conservative) who cracked out the police force in recent years?

No I want to overthrow a corrupt and greedy system. That's my goal. The founders were corrupt (save Ben rush) and the corruption never stopped.

You do realize the man who made NYPD so crazy and ruthless (Guliani) was a Republican? I mean, you really don't understand who did what up here if you don't know that...
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LOL. All I can do is laugh.
 
Misterveritis said:
"Now that required some emotion combined with little thought. Pigs? What are you seventy?

Are you arguing that the rioters have not plundered their neighbors only more directly than the government usually does? I have seen plenty of video showing people helping themselves to other peoples stuff. Most of the looters were black."

What do you find to be racist about a statement of fact?


It happened where it happened. And looting has to do with lawlessness. You know, like our Marxist, Islamofascist supporting president with his pen and phone, like his attorney general, and with his administration in general.


So a fact is a fact after all.


What? Were we talking about Ferguson or some other place and time? Was that cartoon about Furguson or some other place? Perhaps you should take a break from posting and read a few posts first just to see how this is done.


Then you are poorly channeling some hippie from the 1960s.


I am amused. This is pretty sick, goofy stuff.
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Why did you require your silly post?

The fact that the vast majority of the city is black. The way you say the looters are black without knowing/sighting the facts of the situation is indicative of racism.

Obama is not even close to a Marxist, he is not Islamic, he is certainly not fascist (god you people misuse that word ALLOT)

its a comparison. Their were people looting their that did much more property damage and got in much less trouble its indicative of the racism in america. Learn to read.

Nope pigs are pigs I call em like I see em.

Again the only sick thing here is the racism and greed that is the foundation of American libertarianism.
 
b_dubz said:
Why did you require your silly post?
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What did you intend to say?

The fact that the vast majority of the city is black. The way you say the looters are black without knowing/sighting the facts of the situation is indicative of racism.
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You do realize that you are boring, don't you? The majority of the looter sere black. It is a fact when I say it and it is a fact when, a few sentences later you admitted it.

Obama is not even close to a Marxist, he is not Islamic, he is certainly not fascist (god you people misuse that word ALLOT)
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Of course he is Marxist. And he is an Islamofascist supporter. Just look at all the good he has done in the Middle East. The Islamofascists in Iran will have nuclear weapons very soon now. Thanks Obama. The Caliphate grows in Syria and Iraq. Thanks Obama. Egypt was toppled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Thanks Obama. The military took over. Obama stood by. Thanks Obama. Libya was overthrown. Thanks Obama. The Islamofascists are in control. Thanks Obama.

Obama, the anti Semite considers placing sanctions on Israel, our ally. Thanks Obama.

its a comparison. Their were people looting their that did much more property damage and got in much less trouble its indicative of the racism in america. Learn to read.
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Right. Before I go further is English a second language for you?

Nope pigs are pigs I call em like I see em.

Again the only sick thing here is the racism and greed that is the foundation of American libertarianism.
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I simply shake my head.
 
b_dubz said:
Gross negligence and general corruption.

Police actually arnt required to enforce laws where their is no eminant danger. They may get fired for it, but technically they can use disgression. Furthermore jury's are supposed to have power to change laws through nullification, but that practice is all but outlawed.

And the police step outside the law all the time as they did here. That's my problem with them. Their not supposed to choke a man to death. They could have talked to him.
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If they can fired for not doing their job, then that means they're required to to enforce the law.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

CMPancake said:
If you truly are a Conservative who wants to shrink the Government system, hold Public Officials servants accountable for their actions. That's simple enough, no?
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These protests have nothing to do with smaller government. What the protesters and their proponents want, is a judicial system that can be manipulated to create a popular outcome and disregard The Constitution and the facts of the case. They want tyranny. No more, no less.

Aren't you the one that said cops should be held to a different standard?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

apdst said:
They wouldn't be protesting if either Garner, or Brown were white. That fact makes the protests nothing more than rebellion that should be dealt with as all treason is.
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While I think the goofballs in berkely cross the line, the majority of protests have been non-violent. Do you consider non-violent protest, "Treason"?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

ReverendHellh0und said:
While I think the goofballs in berkely cross the line, the majority of protests have been non-violent. Do you consider non-violent protest, "Treason"?
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I haven't seen many " nonviolent " protests.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

apdst said:
I haven't seen many " nonviolent " protests.
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I didn't ask you that. I asked you if you considered non-violent protest "treason".


NYC was by large, completely peaceful, was that treason?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

ReverendHellh0und said:
I didn't ask you that. I asked you if you considered non-violent protest "treason".


NYC was by large, completely peaceful, was that treason?
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Nonviolent protests, no. However, there are very few nonviolent protests. The protestors in NYC are blocking streets and trespassing on private property. That's illegal.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

apdst said:
Nonviolent protests, no. However, there are very few nonviolent protests. The protestors in NYC are blocking streets and trespassing on private property. That's illegal.
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so trespassing and street blocking is violence?


and therefore, treason?


You would have them all killed?
 
I guess Mike Browns 15 minutes are over time for them to move on to the next case to exploit.
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

apdst said:
These protests have nothing to do with smaller government. What the protesters and their proponents want, is a judicial system that can be manipulated to create a popular outcome and disregard The Constitution and the facts of the case. They want tyranny. No more, no less.
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Reread this and tell me how any of what you said makes any sense what so ever. Tyranny by definition is the abuse of power over a majority, how would a majority be tyrannical over themselves?

But all of that is an aside, because that is not what the majority of protesters want, nor what I am saying. What I am stating is that public officials and civil servants like Law Enforcement should be held accountable for their actions. Now if you're truly against big government or Police-States, would you agree that we should reform or change the laws that currently allow officers like the ones who put Garner in a choke hold walk away with a mere slap on the wrists?

apdst said:
Aren't you the one that said cops should be held to a different standard?
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Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians, yes. If we trust them with firearms, the power to arrest, search homes, personal property, and enforce the law I think we should hold those people up to a higher standard than Jack of Jill. What is your point?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

CMPancake said:
Reread this and tell me how any of what you said makes any sense what so ever. Tyranny by definition is the abuse of power over a majority, how would a majority be tyrannical over themselves?

But all of that is an aside, because that is not what the majority of protesters want, nor what I am saying. What I am stating is that public officials and civil servants like Law Enforcement should be held accountable for their actions. Now if you're truly against big government or Police-States, would you agree that we should reform or change the laws that currently allow officers like the ones who put Garner in a choke hold walk away with a mere slap on the wrists?



Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians, yes. If we trust them with firearms, the power to arrest, search homes, personal property, and enforce the law I think we should hold those people up to a higher standard than Jack of Jill. What is your point?
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What rights should cops forfeit?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

From what I see of this crap so far is that these incidents have been hijacked in favor of the narrative of the moment...For instance, hustlers like Sharpton, and Jackson want to hijack them for their own aggrandizement and enrichment...the Occupy movement (or American Communist movement) wants to foment chaos, and anarchy to overthrow the system of Capitalism. And now we have those anti establishment types railing against law enforcement in very general terms as if these metro areas would be all better without law enforcement. Ridiculous.

All of these people are noise as far as I am concerned. NONE of them will live to the day when they see what they think would make things better. And for all of our sake, I hope they never gain popularity in their opinions.
 
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