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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

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    I apologize, but I am not following here...Could you help me out?
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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I apologize, but I am not following here...Could you help me out?
    I thought it was obvious.

    Before the Nazi's over took Germany they were no threat and many people laughed at the idea. I see many similarities abound with the occupiers. The ideologies are very different but both movements are very close in nature. Get the public to hate the government. Get the public to hate private industry. Get the public to hate a certain groups of people. Place all blame on those groups, entities and the government. Incite a revolution.

    Hell they even have their own salute. Its just the Extreme Lefts version. This isnt something that we should let fester into a head.


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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    And a majority of black people are poor because of institutionalized racism back in the day. Its a vicious cycle. Don't you get it yet?

    Ummm I said the majority of dirt poor people in America are black.... Not the majority of Black's are poor... Big diff... I believe that 30% is higher than any other race still, and if you do it by actual numbers I know their the majority...

    The poverty line is greatly skewed. The reason is it hasn't accounted for cost of living increases since its inception. If you want the real number below the actual poverty line you need to lump in large portions of the lower middle class to. Nice try tho...

    Actually they were. Only 17 got looted. Compare that with the watts riots or even the pumpkin riots in ct....

    What you need to admit is black people have been poor since Jim crow and before, and thats why they remain poor. Because like you admitted, its all about what you start with. If you don't start with anything, your highly likely to end the same...
    But Black people aren't poor! Look, if you're going to paint with a broad brush and generalize, the least you can do is talking about the majority of the population you are talking about. 30% isn't the majority of Black people for one, and even if we're just talking about "all dirt poor people" you're still wrong. Newsflash: Whites outnumber Blacks in this country 5:1. So let's say with whites, those who live below (or near, all of these numbers I forget to mention include those near the poverty line so stop with that nonsense) the poverty line are 15%. This is simple math dubz: which is more? 30% of 40 Million or 15% of 225 Million?

    Bottom line: Poverty isn't restricted to black people, you'd realize this though if you weren't so, what was it called me? Oh yeah... racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    The only person you mentioned who didn't start well off is jay z. He got VERY LUCKY and had the assistance of of someone who did start with money (but was also black) named damson dash.

    Also its always been easier to come from nothing if your a talented artist. Since the Renaissance at least.

    Your wrong, racism is still very much at play, and these are the aftereffects of Jim crow and not paying reparations...

    Conservatives and republicans do hate Black's and poor. Whites its more mixed. I'm white. I got loads of black friends. The kkk, not so much...
    Entertaining the idiotic ideas ends with that line for me. You've clearly demonstrated you aren't open for discussion, nor could you ever find any blame for those within the African American community. It all begins and ends with white people for you doesn't it? You realize that Blacks have been ruling themselves for a long time now in a large swath of Africa, and you know, I don't remember looking over there and seeing a Wakanda in that mix (you'll get that reference when the next Avengers comes out). Perhaps the problems aren't just with whites, just as the problem isn't with blacks alone. We work better as a society, when we work together.

    Maybe you find you have to justify yourself to your "loads of black friends", that you feel guilty for things you've never done. In which case, I feel pity for you. Any time one feels they must justify their opinion with "I have friends of different color", no matter which side of the argument they are, just shows that they've nothing left to offer to a discussion except to justify their inane, and idiotic ideas.

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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I thought it was obvious.

    Before the Nazi's over took Germany they were no threat and many people laughed at the idea. I see many similarities abound with the occupiers. The ideologies are very different but both movements are very close in nature. Get the public to hate the government. Get the public to hate private industry. Get the public to hate a certain groups of people. Place all blame on those groups, entities and the government. Incite a revolution.

    Hell they even have their own salute. Its just the Extreme Lefts version. This isnt something that we should let fester into a head.

    Are you okay? Your back has got to be killing you after making that much of a push to connect Occupiers with Nazis...

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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

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    Are you okay? Your back has got to be killing you after making that much of a push to connect Occupiers with Nazis...
    No despite your ignorance I did not connect the Occupiers with Nazis. I compared the dangers of a movement aimed at toppling a government by attacking the fabric of society.

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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No despite your ignorance I did not connect the Occupiers with Nazis. I compared the dangers of a movement aimed at toppling a government by attacking the fabric of society.
    Oh you are most clearly drawing a comparison between Occupiers and Nazis. You even mention them by name in fact. Your intent may be to speak of the dangers of a movement going to far, but to then go and name the Nazis, even referencing and comparing salutes, you've gone to far there.

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    Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh you are most clearly drawing a comparison between Occupiers and Nazis. You even mention them by name in fact. Your intent may be to speak of the dangers of a movement going to far, but to then go and name the Nazis, even referencing and comparing salutes, you've gone to far there.
    Too far? WTF does that mean? Are you going to do something or some ****?

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).
    When you talk like this, you are dismissing the narrative of the many, many, many people of color who claim to be systematically discriminated against, and you imply that you understand the situation better than they. If you are not familiar with this study, you need to read the summary.

    Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

    For Example:
    Again, you dismiss people of color's narratives when you talk like this. You're being calm, yes, but you're also being incredibly-tone deaf. What you refuse to understand is that it is your white privilege that allows you to talk like this in the first place. Blacks and browns do not have that choice, because it is systematically denied to them. And the fact that a lucky few blacks are multi-millionaires does absolutely nothing to contradict this fact.

    Why should they respect authority? Because you will go much further in this world when you do. That even goes for me when I go overseas and work with my Chinese and Japanese counterparts. In fact, if you go to those countries, you'll find the same demand for respect and conformity that you do with Whites here. Beyond that, I really don't have much more to say to you.
    I am in no position to give an honest appraisal of racial dynamics from any perspective other than that which I have gained by listening to people of color; that is because my white privilege has blinded me from having to intuit these dynamics just to give myself a chance to function, let alone thrive. But I can and have learned a little bit. Part of that includes the understanding that openly disrespecting a police officer is never, ever an acceptable reason for being summarily executed. Why? Besides the obvious problem of the severe overreactions, blacks HAVE tried respecting white authority, and look how well that worked for them. And don't even think about trying to retort that "that problem is in the past," because it absolutely, categorically, is not.
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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Too far? WTF does that mean? Are you going to do something or some ****?
    Because we should never bring up Nazis when referencing anyone here in the US. Honestly, it's no difference than Race Baiting... might as well call it Nazi Baiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    When you talk like this, you are dismissing the narrative of the many, many, many people of color who claim to be systematically discriminated against, and you imply that you understand the situation better than they. If you are not familiar with this study, you need to read the summary.

    Again, you dismiss people of color's narratives when you talk like this. You're being calm, yes, but you're also being incredibly-tone deaf. What you refuse to understand is that it is your white privilege that allows you to talk like this in the first place. Blacks and browns do not have that choice, because it is systematically denied to them. And the fact that a lucky few blacks are multi-millionaires does absolutely nothing to contradict this fact.
    The issue at hand isn't whether many people of color believe they are systematically discriminated against, which I agree they do. My problem is that the line of thought just isn't the case, at least not in the way many blacks want to think it is. Many blacks, and whites for that matter, want to draw a direct line from the racist of the 50's and prior, to the ones that blacks call out today. But the issue is that it isn't the same (and to your credit, you've acknowledged that isn't the case). Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about, from my own experience. There's been a few blacks I've had interviews scheduled with, and the moment they stepped through the door, I told them to turn around and leave. Not because they were black;, I was fully cognoscente of that when I asked them to come in. My problem, is that if you are going to come in looking like your some thug from the streets, I don't want any part of you. Because if I should hire him, I'm taking the risk that this guy doesn't try to rob us blind.

    That is what was going on with that study; why take the chance on a black kid when their are equally qualified whites? It's not racism though because that line of thought isn't without merit. We all know the statistics by now; 1 in 4 African American Adult Males are felons, half of the homicides that are committed in this country are blacks despite the fact they only make up an eighth of the population (with 90% of those blacks killed in black on black crime), blacks have the highest dropout rates, etc. This all is on top of the fact that the black culture isn't exactly conducive to a professional atmosphere, to say the least. All of the above means that blacks are behind the eight ball in terms of starting out.

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    I am in no position to give an honest appraisal of racial dynamics from any perspective other than that which I have gained by listening to people of color; that is because my white privilege has blinded me from having to intuit these dynamics just to give myself a chance to function, let alone thrive. But I can and have learned a little bit. Part of that includes the understanding that openly disrespecting a police officer is never, ever an acceptable reason for being summarily executed. Why? Besides the obvious problem of the severe overreactions, blacks HAVE tried respecting white authority, and look how well that worked for them. And don't even think about trying to retort that "that problem is in the past," because it absolutely, categorically, is not.
    You wouldn't deny though that things have vastly improved for the average black though I assume yes? For instance, do you think that at any point before the 1960's, a black man could of ever been elected president? I'll say it again, the problems that face a black man/woman today, are not the same ones they (and by they, I mean their grandparents in most cases) had to go through. All these people who are protesting now will never have to worry about the fire hoses being turned on them or dogs being sicked on them, just because they want to vote. And as far as listening to blacks, let me point out that there's a problem when you are only hearing from one side of the story. I don't think they should be completely ignored; but I don't think everything they say about race should be taken as gospel with no consideration of the other side.

    And by the way, there is hope. Look at New Orleans by the way and what they've done to drastically improve their schools and with it, the lives of blacks in that city. Prior to Katrina, the majority black city had a joke of a school system. I think the statistic was that in 2004, only around 33% of the city passed tests at basic level. Since the implementation of a charter system in the aftermath of Katrina, that number has doubled to almost 67%. In fact, New Orleans is on the precipice of setting history of being the first predominantly black school district to out perform it's mostly white state. I believe if a system like they have in New Orleans was implemented nationwide in these Urban areas, we would see a vast improvement in the quality of education and more importantly, the plight of blacks in this country.

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