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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    Never ask an honest question if you're not prepared to receive an honest answer.

    First, the cartoon focuses on the looters more than the nonviolent protesters. Yet the looters represented a tiny fraction of the overall population of Ferguson, if they were even residents and not people from out-of-town. And where are all the political cartoons about the Ferguson library that has become a refuge of peace? Or some of the churches? Or some of the residents' homes? I guess that doesn't fit the corporate media's narrative of the big scary black man.

    Second, I wonder how many political cartoons Mr. Cagle has done exposing the hopelessness, despair, and righteous anger that pervades the black community. Does he have the slightest idea what it's like to know that one could be the next Michael Brown? Or Eric Garner? Or Trayvon Martin? Does he know what it's like to have his resume rejected not because of his lack of credentials but because of his name? Or be less hireable than a white person with a criminal record, even if he is lucky enough not to have fallen into the prison-industrial complex? And none of this gives any deference to the system of power that keeps blacks "in their place," simply because you and I will never ever be able to truly understand the powerful psychological toll it has on its targets.

    If you choose to not see this, then you choose to understand none of the issues surrounding race at all. But, you have the privilege of doing that. Lucky you!
    Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

    Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

    Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.
    Ummmm it has allot more to do with wealth than color these days. All those people grew up with a good amount of wealth (and by that I mean not dirt poor) conversely the majority of dirt poor people in America are black, largely due to racist policy's of the past.

    Furthermore it is racist because their are like 8 people protesting and two looting. Theirs should have been a huge crowd protesting and two looting as that would show the real numbers better.

    Its also racist because their should have been a large group of people blocking the looters, as their was allot of people (more than the looters) protecting stores as well.

    It is racist. Just get over it.
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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

    Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.
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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    Never talk about the tip of the iceberg without at least acknowledging the rest of the berg. Or better yet, understanding how and why the iceberg formed in the first place.
    I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's, accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's
    This is an outdated idea of "racism." And if you disagree with the established definition of systems and actions that serve to oppress and impede the progress of people of color, do you have a different term for that phenomenon?

    accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.
    It doesn't matter what the majority of whites believe. The majority can be utterly and abjectly wrong.

    Hamster, I will acknowledge the extreme sensitivity surrounding the issue of discussing race, and I do commend you for being far more civil when confronted about race than many others who hold similar positions are. Even if we make mistakes in what we say, we gotta check our privilege at the door and talk about this stuff more, not less.
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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    Ummmm it has allot more to do with wealth than color these days. All those people grew up with a good amount of wealth (and by that I mean not dirt poor) conversely the majority of dirt poor people in America are black, largely due to racist policy's of the past.

    Furthermore it is racist because their are like 8 people protesting and two looting. Theirs should have been a huge crowd protesting and two looting as that would show the real numbers better.

    Its also racist because their should have been a large group of people blocking the looters, as their was allot of people (more than the looters) protecting stores as well.

    It is racist. Just get over it.
    You just said it! Wealth, how much money you have, has more to do with succeeding and failing in this world than race does! I'm glad to you finally admit it! By the way, less than 30% of blacks live near or below the poverty line. And while it is true that is much higher than whites, it's certainly not a majority of "black people". And clearly, those who were protecting the stores, weren't able to.

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's, accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.
    Omg your so racist and wrong...

    Why would they respect authority? It treats them like poo. In fact idk why anybody respects the authority of this country. It certainly does not deserve respect.

    The level of crime directly correlates with the level of poverty around the world. Drugs make money. If your poor, your more likely to sell drugs. That's true for everybody. More blacks are poor, therefore they sell allot of drugs. The reason they are poor, is the institutionalized racism that used to and still does go one here.

    The only thing your right about is education. But that is another form of racism. Giving black neighborhoods crappy schools...

    Racism is at the root of all these things. Just stop you have no idea what your talking about!

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This is an outdated idea of "racism." And if you disagree with the established definition of systems and actions that serve to oppress and impede the progress of people of color, do you have a different term for that phenomenon?
    In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    It doesn't matter what the majority of whites believe. The majority can be utterly and abjectly wrong.

    Hamster, I will acknowledge the extreme sensitivity surrounding the issue of discussing race, and I do commend you for being far more civil when confronted about race than many others who hold similar positions are. Even if we make mistakes in what we say, we gotta check our privilege at the door and talk about this stuff more, not less.
    Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Omg your so racist and wrong...

    Why would they respect authority? It treats them like poo. In fact idk why anybody respects the authority of this country. It certainly does not deserve respect.

    The level of crime directly correlates with the level of poverty around the world. Drugs make money. If your poor, your more likely to sell drugs. That's true for everybody. More blacks are poor, therefore they sell allot of drugs. The reason they are poor, is the institutionalized racism that used to and still does go one here.

    The only thing your right about is education. But that is another form of racism. Giving black neighborhoods crappy schools...

    Racism is at the root of all these things. Just stop you have no idea what your talking about!
    Why should they respect authority? Because you will go much further in this world when you do. That even goes for me when I go overseas and work with my Chinese and Japanese counterparts. In fact, if you go to those countries, you'll find the same demand for respect and conformity that you do with Whites here. Beyond that, I really don't have much more to say to you.

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

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    You just said it! Wealth, how much money you have, has more to do with succeeding and failing in this world than race does! I'm glad to you finally admit it! By the way, less than 30% of blacks live near or below the poverty line. And while it is true that is much higher than whites, it's certainly not a majority of "black people". And clearly, those who were protecting the stores, weren't able to.
    And a majority of black people are poor because of institutionalized racism back in the day. Its a vicious cycle. Don't you get it yet?

    Ummm I said the majority of dirt poor people in America are black.... Not the majority of Black's are poor... Big diff... I believe that 30% is higher than any other race still, and if you do it by actual numbers I know their the majority...

    The poverty line is greatly skewed. The reason is it hasn't accounted for cost of living increases since its inception. If you want the real number below the actual poverty line you need to lump in large portions of the lower middle class to. Nice try tho...

    Actually they were. Only 17 got looted. Compare that with the watts riots or even the pumpkin riots in ct....

    What you need to admit is black people have been poor since Jim crow and before, and thats why they remain poor. Because like you admitted, its all about what you start with. If you don't start with anything, your highly likely to end the same...

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    Re: Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).



    Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

    For Example:
    The only person you mentioned who didn't start well off is jay z. He got VERY LUCKY and had the assistance of of someone who did start with money (but was also black) named damson dash.

    Also its always been easier to come from nothing if your a talented artist. Since the Renaissance at least.

    Your wrong, racism is still very much at play, and these are the aftereffects of Jim crow and not paying reparations...

    Conservatives and republicans do hate Black's and poor. Whites its more mixed. I'm white. I got loads of black friends. The kkk, not so much...

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