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    No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    The people that sit on this jury must be police officers.

    If ever there was a case of manslaughter, this was it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?
    I doubt very much that you'll see anything close to what happened in Ferguson. New Yorkers make a lot of noise but, as a rule, they're not into wrecking their neighborhood.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Seems as though grand juries are allergic to indicting cops
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?
    Personally, I'm troubled by this one far more so than the Ferguson decision. In the Ferguson incident, Michael Brown absolutely contributed to and caused his own demise. In this case, in NYC, we're talking about what is virtually a by-law infraction - selling cigarettes loosely, without tax, and local variety stores and businesses pressure police to stop it. But nobody, in my view, should die because they broke a by-law. Now, this man clearly was resisting arrest - he was surrounded by police and he kept pulling his hands back when the police tried to handcuff him. As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant". What is it about big black men that they resist arrest to the death?

    This is a case, I believe, that should have gone to trial so that the entire NYC community could see and review the evidence and a jury could pass judgement on whether or not manslaughter was an appropriate charge. The community, in this case, should determine whether or not a banned choke hold being used in order to secure an arrest is reasonable force. For me, I don't see why the police didn't simply issue the man a summons to appear in court on the by-law charge.

    This one bothers me a lot.

    Edit: It seems that the man in this case had 31 prior arrests for similar minor offenses and apparently "knew the drill" - what possessed him to resist this one to the death is puzzling.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Seems as though grand juries are allergic to indicting cops
    It could be a reflection that grand juries - citizens - are afraid of what life would be like with police handcuffed.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?
    I suppose the grand jury listened to the coroner when he said this guy was a fat **** a hairsbreath away from the heart attack that killed him. Or did you miss the contributing factors? Tasing the guy would have killed him.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    The GJ may have decided that the man's poor health played a significant factor in his death and that it was a direct result of resisting arrest.

    During his fatal police encounter, Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind him grab him in a chokehold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach
    The New York City medical examiner has ruled Garner's death a homicide. The cause of death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

    But the medical examiner also listed acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease as contributing factors in Garner's death.
    N.Y. cop not indicted in chokehold death - CNN.com
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I suppose the grand jury listened to the coroner when he said this guy was a fat **** a hairsbreath away from the heart attack that killed him. Or did you miss the contributing factors? Tasing the guy would have killed him.
    Yup justifies killing someone by choking them to death, by using a banned chokehold on someone.


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