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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Man left beaten and bloodied for jaywalking is 85-year-old who doesn't understand much English | Daily Mail Online
Bill de Blasio Crackdown on Jaywalking Leads to Beating of 84-Year-Old Man | FrontPage Magazine



Let me guess, you support beating an old man because he broke the law, didn't understand and walked away? Or was this confrontation justified too because the old man was breaking the law?
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Diblasio is trying to out tyrant bloomberg.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Still trying? Last time I ask you: Can you show us at what point in the video police told Eric Garner to move along? You made the claim that they had, I'm asking you to validate it. Or can't you? Just like you can't show what crime the police observed?
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Again this? The first time you asked this same silly thing I posted the answer for you. It's not on the video we have access to. The video does not cover the entire event. It does not show his encounter with an undercover officer. It does not show the fight all the witnesses mention that immediately precedes. I also pointed out to you that the "good citizen" taking the video says he's being placed under arrest.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Sure I can validate my claim. Because there are no stories or reports of people getting put into chokeholds all time by cops while they were out minding their own business and not breaking laws.
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Nonsense, you're relying on not having presented any evidence to make your claim seem true. That's nonsense. It's no more sensical than saying: Today, it didn't snow today, so tomorrow it won't either because today it didn't. You made a claim, now validate it. :)

That's actually the only evidence needed. You do know you can't prove a negative, yes?
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Of course you can. I can prove that if I drop an object, it will not float into the sky. Want me to show you how?

Philosophic burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence. If this negative assertion is in response to a claim made by another party in a debate, asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood, as the position "I do not believe that X is true" is different from the explicit denial "I believe that X is false".[10]
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Let me give you a hand, now get to work on proving your claim. :)

By the way, are you the arbiter of who is allowed to post on threads? I'm here to debate about the topic. You're angry because I don't want to debate seaweed laws.
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Nobody is angry, what has been shown is that your blanket generalizations don't stand up to scrutiny. :shrug:
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Man left beaten and bloodied for jaywalking is 85-year-old who doesn't understand much English | Daily Mail Online
Bill de Blasio Crackdown on Jaywalking Leads to Beating of 84-Year-Old Man | FrontPage Magazine



Let me guess, you support beating an old man because he broke the law, didn't understand and walked away? Or was this confrontation justified too because the old man was breaking the law?
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Kang Wang is suing the city for $5 million, and he will win.

So can you post some links to show me where English speaking people in NH are getting beaten up for jaywalking and not walking away from policemen? If it's common occurrence here, then I'll worry about the police. I speak the language of the cops in NY and don't plan to walk away from them if they take my ID.

And what are you looking for anyway? To disband the police force in NYC? Take it up with them. I moved from that area almost 20 years ago. It isn't my call.
 
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clownboy said:
Again this? The first time you asked this same silly thing I posted the answer for you. It's not on the video we have access to. The video does not cover the entire event. It does not show his encounter with an undercover officer. It does not show the fight all the witnesses mention that immediately precedes. I also pointed out to you that the "good citizen" taking the video says he's being placed under arrest.
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So wait, you proved it by not showing us anything and proclaiming that it's on the other video? You're getting silly.
 
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Hatuey said:
Nobody is angry, what has been shown is that your blanket generalizations don't stand up to scrutiny. :shrug:
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Apply that to your own arguments and that's all the answer you need in this thread.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Nonsense, you're relying on not having presented any evidence to make your claim seem true. That's nonsense. It's no more sensical than saying: Today, it didn't snow today, so tomorrow it won't either because today it didn't. You made a claim, now validate it. :)



Of course you can. I can prove that if I drop an object, it will not float into the sky. Want me to show you how?

Philosophic burden of proof - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Let me give you a hand, now get to work on proving your claim. :)



Nobody is angry, what has been shown is that your blanket generalizations don't stand up to scrutiny. :shrug:
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No, you're right. Police are just pulling citizens who are walking along not breaking any law, even inconsequential ones, every minute of the day, and beating them bloody. I'll bet it happened to every single poster on here many times - well, except for me, and everyone I know.

America is a bad bad place. Are you moving any time soon?
 
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Hatuey said:
So wait, you proved it by not showing us anything and proclaiming that it's on the other video? You're getting silly.
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Try reading for comprehension. I didn't say that was the proof that was posted showing him to be under arrest. It's you with the slavish reliance on the one video you have access to.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Kang Wang is suing the city for $5 million, and he will win.
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LMAO - He's going to win when it's clear that he broke the law and the police were justified in their confrontation? Please, please just stop. It makes you look silly when you proclaim that if you don't want a confrontation, you shouldn't break the law, and then in a case where it's clear that a person broke the law, the police aren't justified in their engagement.

So can you post some links to show me where English speaking people in NH are getting beaten up for jaywalking and not walking away from policemen? If it's common occurrence here, then I'll worry about the police. I speak the language of the cops in NY and don't plan to walk away from them if they take my ID.
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Irrelevant, if the police harass you or attack you for any small offence, what language you speak is irrelevant. It's justified as you broke the law, remember? ;)

And what are you looking for anyway? To disband the police force in NYC? Take it up with them. I moved from that area almost 20 years ago. It isn't my call.
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Hyperbole! It wouldn't be a tres borrachos post if it wasn't full of hyperbole.
 
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tres borrachos said:
How often do you hear about someone being choked by a policeman simply for driving with a suspended license?
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You do realize that you may have just caused a lot of people to have a feeling of impending doom, don't you? :lamo:
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
No, you haven't, sorry.


I don't believe you are telling the truth.

I accept your concession that garner was not observed committing a crime before being detained and eventually choked, head smashing and smothering with knees.
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Post #2315 this thread, not even that far back. Will your apology come? Enquiring minds want to know. :mrgreen:
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
LMAO - He's going to win when it's clear that he broke the law and the police were justified in their confrontation? Please, please just stop. It makes you look silly when you proclaim that if you don't want a confrontation, you shouldn't break the law, and then in a case where it's clear that a person broke the law, the police aren't justified in their engagement.



Irrelevant, if the police harass you or attack you for any small offence, what language you speak is irrelevant. It's justified as you broke the law, remember? ;)



Hyperbole! It wouldn't be a tres borrachos post if it wasn't full of hyperbole.
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The police were justified? Interesting. You support police beating up old men.
 
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clownboy said:
Try reading for comprehension. I didn't say that was the proof that was posted showing him to be under arrest. It's you with the slavish reliance on the one video you have access to.
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Try actually reading the post. I asked you to prove that he was told to leave the area. You claimed it was in the video. I asked you to show us when he was told, and all you could provide was commentary for the same person you distrust when it comes to the fight details. Actually, here you are claiming you'd proven he was told to move with the evidence available:

clownboy said:
Well, that compilation, if you disregard the very stupid text commentary, actually shows he was asked to leave the area.
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Then here you are claiming that it's not actually in the video:

It's not on the video we have access to.
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Which is it? Is the proof that he was told to leave in the video or is it in another video? Again, you're looking bad for a guy who claims to be really good at this.
 
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tres borrachos said:
The police were justified? Interesting. You support police beating up old men.
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Hey, I'm joining your side. He broke the law. Any police action taken to correct that is justified. Right? ;) If he didn't like it, he shouldn't have broken the law and it's already been demonstrated that ignorance of the law is no excuse. So yeah, beat old men, children and whomever for breaking the law. Right, tres borrachos? If they don't like it, they shouldn't have broken the law!
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Hey, I'm joining your side. He broke the law. Any police action taken to correct that is justified. Right? ;)
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That's my side?

Can you point to a post where I said "Any police action to correct someone who is breaking a law is justified"?

I'll wait.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

tres borrachos said:
That's my side?

Can you point to a post where I said "Any police action to correct someone who is breaking a law is justified"?

I'll wait.
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"If you don't want confrontation with the police, don't break the law" ring any bells?
 
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clownboy said:
Post #2315 this thread, not even that far back. Will your apology come? Enquiring minds want to know. :mrgreen:
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You do realize that that is a statement from the police, and if the statement from the coroner's office can be deemed unacceptable because some alleged bias, then the statement representing the people who caused his death is as suspect, correct? ;) You're really not good at this.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Try actually reading the post. I asked you to prove that he was told to leave the area. You claimed it was in the video. I asked you to show us when he was told, and all you could provide was commentary for the same person you distrust when it comes to the fight details. Actually, here you are claiming you'd proven he was told to move with the evidence available:



Then here you are claiming that it's not actually in the video:



Which is it? Is the proof that he was told to leave in the video or is it in another video? Again, you're looking bad for a guy who claims to be really good at this.
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Quote where I said I distrust the video taker as to any "fight details". All that I have ever posted about the so-called fight is that it happened according to witnesses and we have no other details on that part of the event. I even asked for details with none forthcoming.

Now quote where I said I was "really good at this". All I have posted in that regard is that YOU are not very good at this.

In fact, you're wandering again, trying to find a point from which to troll further.
 
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clownboy said:
Post #2315 this thread, not even that far back. Will your apology come? Enquiring minds want to know. :mrgreen:
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Lol "differing accounts"


Watch the video, the little cop backs off that claim.


There shall be no apology forthcoming. Sorry
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post

That's my side?

Can you point to a post where I said "Any police action to correct someone who is breaking a law is justified"?

I'll wait.
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Hatuey said:
"If you don't want confrontation with the police, don't break the law" ring any bells?
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So, you further demonstrate that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
 
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