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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Your ability to read and still ask that type of question is ridiculous.



Read that post again:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...kehold-death-w-1903-a-250.html#post1064072686

Please tell you understood it just so you know how illogical you sound.
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Once again, show me where I said or implied that I support children getting put in chokeholds by the police, which is what you claimed I said. Seaweed and lemonade laws don't have anything to do with chokeholds.

I'll still wait, and continue to point out that your post was a lie.
 
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clownboy said:
And now tell us what happens when you continue to drive anyway. Is an arrest and taking into custody in your future? Jail time perhaps? Hint: the answer is yes.



Then you've never been caught for a warrant and resisted arrest. Good to know. And no, NOT an illegal action. Why try to resurrect a busted meme with a slight bend? Just silly.



You tell us, it's been posted here about a thousand times. Still not getting the message?
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1. If you observed me committing a crime. Sure. If your fishing...


2. Just because you say something is a doesnt make something "busted".


3. Show me. This is a cop out and not a very honest debate tactic.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Once again, show me where I said or implied that I support children getting put in chokeholds by the police,
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So then the police do have restrictions on what they can and can't do? Correct? And breaking the law does not matter in confrontations where the police overstep the boundaries of what they're allowed to do? Yes? Do you realize that makes your statement about "don't like confrontations with the cops" then "don't break the law" argument a crock of ****?
 
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Henrin said:
Can you point to the law that says I have a right to not have competition from ice cream trucks parked on the side of the road?
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No, but surely you are aware of laws that require outdoor vendors to have a license and agree to certain rules of business. The taxes and license fees help pay for the maintenance of said roads.
 
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clownboy said:
No, but surely you are aware of laws that require outdoor vendors to have a license and agree to certain rules of business. The taxes and license fees help pay for the maintenance of said roads.
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Let me guess... you're also in favor of kids getting arrested for selling lemonade without a license? Please run like tres borrachos. I love to get people on record for ridiculous positions like this.
 
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clownboy said:
No, but surely you are aware of laws that require outdoor vendors to have a license and agree to certain rules of business. The taxes and license fees help pay for the maintenance of said roads.
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One must have zee proper papers. May i see your papers please. Lol
 
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Hatuey said:
So then the police do have restrictions on what they can and can't do? Correct? And breaking the law does not matter in confrontations where the police overstep the boundaries of what they're allowed to do? Yes? Do you realize that makes your statement about "don't like confrontations with the cops" then "don't break the law" argument a crock of ****?
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Now you're changing the questions again. We've gone from lemonade to seaweed laws to cops having restrictions. Pick a subject and stay there.

And I'm waiting for you to show me the posts that I made which caused you to post that lie that I would support children getting put into a chokehold by a policeman for no good reason.
 
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clownboy said:
Proof that he was under arrest was posted a long time ago in this very thread. Resurrecting this broken point, though the point was meaningless to begin with, is right down your alley.
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What crime did he commit?
 
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Hatuey said:
So a vendor is going to go broke because of a guy selling cigarettes somewhere in NYC? Do you own a business? If your business was threatened by a guy making a 1/10th of a percentage of what your business should be making to stay afloat, your business has much bigger problems than the guy selling smokes. Again, you're either ignorant or completely hyperbolic. Which is it?
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There is more than one guy selling illegal goods. The cumulative impact of ALL those illegal merchants does indeed hurt legal businesses. Never run a business have you?

Hatuey said:
Ah, so you support tasing children who are breaking the law no matter the law - correct?
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You seem to have a problem understanding basic English. Go back and read the post I wrote and you quoted, this time try to read for comprehension.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Now you're changing the questions again. We've gone from lemonade to seaweed laws to cops having restrictions. Pick a subject and stay there.

And I'm waiting for you to show me the posts that I made which caused you to post that lie that I would support children getting put into a chokehold by a policeman for no good reason.
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Nobody is changing any question tres borrachos. What came into question is your mantra that confrontations with the police can be avoided if one doesn't break the law. What has been asked for you to do is to have a set standard for whether this applies to all equally or if there are cases where discretion is ever important. Apparently, for you, discretion is not of any relevance and a person should face the harshness of the law no matter the case. Which is why you've been asked numerous times to go on record and support your position. You haven't, as a matter of fact, you've avoided any questions which scrutinize your statement about police and confrontations. It's pretty obvious that your statements do not stand up to any real scrutiny. It's even more obvious that you don't buy that line that not breaking the law won't get you into a confrontation with the police.
 
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Hatuey said:
Let me guess... you're also in favor of kids getting arrested for selling lemonade without a license? Please run like tres borrachos. I love to get people on record for ridiculous positions like this.
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I know you do, that's why you make them up and then attribute to them others. It's a nonsense tactic that everyone can see through here. The victory you claim as a result just makes your arguments look ever more foolish.

Where are the kids selling this lemonade, because you know the law does not cover a child's neighborhood lemonade stand. If they are setting up in an area that requires a license, and they don't have one, I'm all for them being cited. If they continue to do it, let's say 30 times, and have outright said they will continue after that, then yes, an arrest for a later visit to the county courthouse would be appropriate.
 
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clownboy said:
No, but surely you are aware of laws that require outdoor vendors to have a license and agree to certain rules of business. The taxes and license fees help pay for the maintenance of said roads.
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Your argument is basically why I hate government licensing. Business licensing serves two purpose, one, grant the government control over business, and two, protect established businesses from competition. The market works best when people are freely able to start their own businesses and trade freely with each other. Not only does it mean lower prices and better selection for consumers, but higher wages for employees and with all of this higher GDP. There is zero benefit to laws that restrict men and women from trading freely with others.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903]

Clownboy,


What crime did the officers observe garner committing?
 
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clownboy said:
There is more than one guy selling illegal goods.
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Should they all be beaten if they raise their voices?

The cumulative impact of ALL those illegal merchants does indeed hurt legal businesses. Never run a business have you?
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I'm on my 2nd. If I was worried about competition, I'd probably be chanting that people who don't have proper accreditations should be arrested. However, I'm not because my business actually is more worried about legally accredited competitors than illegal ones. You want to try again, champ?

You seem to have a problem understanding basic English. Go back and read the post I wrote and you quoted, this time try to read for comprehension.
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Your avoidance of these questions is pretty relevant. Do you support the police taking whatever measures they must to arrest people? If you do, welcome to the authoritarian club. Population: You, tres borrachos, Tigger and Paleocon.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
One must have zee proper papers. May i see your papers please. Lol
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Really, Godwins. really? Have you finally realized you lost your argument that thoroughly?
 
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clownboy said:
Really, Godwins. really? Have you finally realized you lost your argument that thoroughly?
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You are avoiding my question thoroughly!

Lol


What crime was garner observed by the officers committing.
 
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Henrin said:
Your argument is basically why I hate government licensing. Business licensing serves two purpose, one, grant the government control over business, and two, protect established businesses from competition. The market works best when people are freely able to start their own businesses and trade freely with each other. Not only does it mean lower prices and better selection for consumers, but higher wages for employees and with all of this higher GDP. There is zero benefit to laws that restrict men and women from trading freely with others.
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Also for the purposes of protecting the public. I do indeed want those vendors to follow proper sanitation.
 
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Hatuey said:
Nobody is changing any question tres borrachos. What came into question is your mantra that confrontations with the police can be avoided if one doesn't break the law. What has been asked for you to do is to have a set standard for whether this applies to all equally or if there are cases where discretion is ever important. Apparently, for you, discretion is not of any relevance and a person should face the harshness of the law no matter the case. Which is why you've been asked numerous times to go on record and support your position. You haven't, as a matter of fact, you've avoided any questions which scrutinize your statement about police and confrontations. It's pretty obvious that your statements do not stand up to any real scrutiny. It's even more obvious that you don't buy that line that not breaking the law won't get you into a confrontation with the police.
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If you don't break the law, the cops tend not to put you in a chokehold for no reason. Life 101. I'm sorry you can't get that, and you are reduced to posting posts that are lies.

By the way, Eric Garner wasn't a kid and he wasn't operating a lemonade stand or collecting seaweed on the NH coast, so you trying to "set a standard" by lobbing these ridiculous, worthless, unrelated hypotheticals is ridiculous as well.
 
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clownboy said:
Also for the purposes of protecting the public. I do indeed want those vendors to follow proper sanitation.
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Like I said, "one, grant the government control over business".
 
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clownboy said:
I know you do, that's why you make them up and then attribute to them others. It's a nonsense tactic that everyone can see through here. The victory you claim as a result just makes your arguments look ever more foolish.
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Won't answer the question though will you?

Where are the kids selling this lemonade, because you know the law does not cover a child's neighborhood lemonade stand. If they are setting up in an area that requires a license, and they don't have one, I'm all for them being cited. If they continue to do it, let's say 30 times, and have outright said they will continue after that, then yes, an arrest for a later visit to the county courthouse would be appropriate.
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Actually, the law does cover them under HHS regulation as well as state health departments. But that's beside the point. It's good to see you finally shed your small government nonsense and come out in full support of an authoritarian state where common sense/discretion are not as important as laws.
 
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Hatuey said:
Should they all be beaten if they raise their voices?



I'm on my 2nd. If I was worried about competition, I'd probably be chanting that people who don't have proper accreditations should be arrested. However, I'm not because my business actually is more worried about legally accredited competitors than illegal ones. You want to try again, champ?



Your avoidance of these questions is pretty relevant. Do you support the police taking whatever measures they must to arrest people? If you do, welcome to the authoritarian club. Population: You, tres borrachos, Tigger and Paleocon.
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Keep dodging and moving the goalposts. I've answered your questions and thus far you gone to ever more ridiculous extremes to render your strawmen to play gotcha. Give it a rest. I clearly answered your questions. You'll just have to live with the fact that I did so without going to your gotcha place.
 
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