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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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That's from August, dude!
No kidding. So what's your excuse for stating that the cops didn't kill Garner, as if that was a fact when the cause of death was announced months ago and is not under dispute?
 
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"Orchestrated and trained" BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

The choke is on wrong.

He doesn't have his hooks in.


If garner had a clue he could make weight, turn into officer choke hold, given the lack of hooks, get side control, and put him in a world of hurt.

Officer choke hold is one of those dangers of "knowing a little" about something.



Choke holds are banned by nypd.

What he attempted was a choke.

Once again no one defending choke holds as proper police procedure. And you so obviously only know choke holds from watching MMA. There don't need to be hooks or side controls.
 
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No kidding. So what's your excuse for stating that the cops didn't kill Garner, as if that was a fact when the cause of death was announced months ago and is not under dispute?

I've already posted my evidence. Choking wasn't the cause of death, just like Michael Brown didn't have his hands up, surrendering.
 
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Once again no one defending choke holds as proper police procedure. And you so obviously only know choke holds from watching MMA. There don't need to be hooks or side controls.


I have a brown belt from renzo gracie and I trained under a ralph gracie school for years.. You were saying?


Basic escape from such a choke is to make weight. grab the arm and elbow lift, turn into the guy (who usually has hooks in), and get into his guard. Jits 101 bro.
 
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I'm not disputing garner was the biggest contributer to his death.


My point is, we in this country shouldn't be putting citizens in choke holds over suspicion of selling loose cigarettes.


Diplomacy would have been the quiver I would have chosen over my bad ass choke holds. ;)

Dude, how many times does it have to be posted in a 190 page thread - no one is defending some right for police to use the choke hold. What is being said, and the GJ agrees, it that it wasn't illegal in this instance, just against department policy. For which the officer will be fired.
 
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I can do one, a weak one yes, hell I'm old, and yes I am familiar. Are you, or is this the armchair speaking?

Quite. 20+ years of wrestling including 3 of D1, plus 7+ years of MMA and BJJ.

How can you claim familiarity and not know that a rear naked from behind and on top can put a crap ton of pressure on your chest?
 
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I have a brown belt from renzo gracie and I trained under a ralph gracie school for years.. You were saying?


Basic escape from such a choke is to make weight. grab the arm and elbow lift, turn into the guy (who usually has hooks in), and get into his guard. Jits 101 bro.
Where out of? I've never formally gone through the Gracie school but I've rolled with a bunch of guys who have in the pgh area.
 
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I have a brown belt from renzo gracie and I trained under a ralph gracie school for years.. You were saying?


Basic escape from such a choke is to make weight. grab the arm and elbow lift, turn into the guy (who usually has hooks in), and get into his guard. Jits 101 bro.

Precisely as I was saying then, except you're not armchairing it, you're just ignoring that MMA style choke holds that you were trained in are not the same as the choke hold at discussion here.
 
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I've already posted my evidence. Choking wasn't the cause of death, just like Michael Brown didn't have his hands up, surrendering.

Your evidence that conflicts with the coroner? You do realize that's not the way these things work, right? You don't get to make up your own cause of death.
 
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Quite. 20+ years of wrestling including 3 of D1, plus 7+ years of MMA and BJJ.

How can you claim familiarity and not know that a rear naked from behind and on top can put a crap ton of pressure on your chest?

Read my response to ReverendHellh0und. No one was going for a rear naked choke.
 
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Precisely as I was saying then, except you're not armchairing it, you're just ignoring that MMA style choke holds that you were trained in are not the same as the choke hold at discussion here.



It's exactly the same, just applied incorrectly. Sheesh.
 
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Precisely as I was saying then, except you're not armchairing it, you're just ignoring that MMA style choke holds that you were trained in are not the same as the choke hold at discussion here.
*Facepalm*

Do you think the cop used some super secret 5th level cop ninja choke that we don't know about?
 
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Your evidence that conflicts with the coroner? You do realize that's not the way these things work, right? You don't get to make up your own cause of death.

You'd have to understand the coroner's findings, which you so obviously do not.
 
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Read my response to ReverendHellh0und. No one was going for a rear naked choke.



Not a rear naked, a no-gi lapel choke where the under hook acts as the "lapel" for leverage. at best a modified rear naked if you must. but it's basic jits 101 applied horribly wrong.
 
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Read my response to ReverendHellh0und. No one was going for a rear naked choke.

You claimed that a choke can not put pressure on someone's chest. That is ridiculous. I merely pointed out a simple way to both choke and effectively compress the chest.
 
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*Facepalm*

Do you think the cop used some super secret 5th level cop ninja choke that we don't know about?

Here is a police standard choke hold before such techniques were banned in most departments.

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You claimed that a choke can not put pressure on someone's chest. That is ridiculous. I merely pointed out a simple way to both choke and effectively compress the chest.

Explain how that happens.
 
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You claimed that a choke can not put pressure on someone's chest. That is ridiculous. I merely pointed out a simple way to both choke and effectively compress the chest.

I did not say that. I said, IN THIS CASE, the choke hold did not cause the chest compression, nor did it cause the body positioning..
 
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