Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death
Note elbow position. if the crook of that elbow is sticking out like that the trachea is not being compressed. officer choke hold doesn't have position, and isn't actually choking ****.
Well, it is probalby choking him...it's just not likely doing it exceptionally well, and in a way that would actually cause consiousness issues for most healthy people.
Rather than looking at the crook of the elbow, look at the forearm across the throat. Now, barring the caveat I put in the other post (that I can't fully tell where the individuals throat is so I'm unsure how straight he has the forearm against it), that absolutely can be an windpipe choke.
Since everyone is liking pictures, I'll grab a random picture of a very typical Judo choke:
Painful, especially if applied quickly, but not something that typically is going to cause incapacitation anywhere near as quickly as sliding down it into an actual traditional rear naked/sleeper style hold. But still technically a "choke". And similar to the hold the officer has on him.
Though again, as I said in my previous post...i've not seen the video, and just going off that picture, its impossible for me to say if that was his intent or if he was going for a blood choke and for whatever reason simply failed at it.
Nope, I'd never tap on that hold. where his elbow creases is, his trach has space. also without hooks in, he's got no leverage.
If you'd not be tapping if someone did that hold right, you've got better pain tolerance than me
Then again, I've always disliked that throat constricting feeling significantly more than the pressure of a carotid.
As to the picture...while he's doesn't have very good leverage to do anything to someone with a modicrum of ground fighting knowledge, he's got more than enough to potentially still make that choke decently effective for causing pain and making difficulty breathing to someone whose out of shape, has physical issues impairing breathing, and doesn't seem to have much knowledge of ground fighting. His shoulder and arm can be used to apply the leverage needed to keep his victims from moving back away from the choke. He's got the space there to use his legs and weight to provide a suitable base to keep the choke on.
While there's no doubt in my mind someone like yourself, or even potentially someone like CMP, would likely not have much issue dealing with such a hold, this was a far different situation.
Now all that said...
I need to go find a food thread to post in to fully appreciate the two biggest topics of conversation I most missed having you around for