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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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whysoserious said:
Is anyone able to explain why no CPR or chest compressions were given?
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Because no one cries for "thugs"? *shrugs*
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
you must not realize how much damage a few seconds of cutting off the jugular vein can be.... Its very relevant.
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What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
 
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Again and again and again. I don't blame people one bit for protesting. This is disgusting.

 
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Peter Grimm said:
How do you know they weren't?
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As I recall, none were performed until paramedics arrived many minutes later. Without even doing the breathing part, simple chest compressions alone could have easily saved this man.

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Actually, EMS workers apparently did not perform CPR either??? Not sure.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Doesn't look like they tried to hurt him. Looks like they tried to tackle him and make the arrest, which is what they are supposed to do when someone resists arrest.

It's not their job to negotiate with the guy. If he really didn't do anything wrong, the place to have that debate is at the police station.
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Yes, because that's what happens in city jail. They hold debates. It's like this forum, only in person. :roll:
 
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whysoserious said:
Is anyone able to explain why no CPR or chest compressions were given?
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The chokehold and chest compressions are what killed him.
 
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dolphinocean said:
Sometimes ago I saw a Youtube video (probably in this forum)of a middle age white guy holding some kind of automatic rifle in his hand on the sidewalk of a busy street just loitering around. When the police was called by concerned citizen he was still standing there with his weapon and the officer took a long time and patiently reasoned to him across the street that he needs to put down the weapon and show his ID and permit so that the police could verify.

It took a long time to get this uncooperative guy to finally cooperate. And there was no lethal tactics of any kind used against this guy for resisting police investigation.
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Yes! Finally someone else remembers this! Do you have a link to the video? I've been looking for it for a while.
 
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MaggieD said:
What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
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Depends. Some brains dont reboot and could lead to death in very few seconds. One man m ight be able to have the jugular cut off for 10-15 seconds and simply wake up groggy. Another could have it cut off for 2 seconds and die. The neck isnt meant to be squeezed. This guy had a good chance of living if someone rebooted his heart after he shut down.
 
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MaggieD said:
What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
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He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?
 
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MaggieD said:
What is the effect of cutting off the jugular vein for a few seconds? (I believe it might be a headache...maybe.)
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That - and maybe death, though USUALLY not.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

"Those with tyrannical hearts always speak this way.

Civilians, members of the community, saw the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to prove a crime had occurred. I trust non-governmental civilians. They get it right most of the time. "
JumpinJack said:
Your response, and the response you're responding to, represent the two extremes, neither of which know all of the evidence.
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Cool. I am extreme because I support a lawful grand jury process. I suppose I agree with you. It is clear that I am extreme because I actually support a civil society built on lawful conduct designed to prevent tyranny at any level by government officials.

Now what were you saying? And wipe the dribble off your chin.

I do find this no-indictment surprising. Something doesn't seem right. This is a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Seems to me any policeman would not want to turn a minor infraction into a death-causing incident, esp. using a disallowed choke hold (disallowed because it kills people). I think I can guess why he felt he had to use it. But then again, we're talking about a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Not a serious crime like running a red light.

But I'm not familiar with all the evidence. I'd like to know more.
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Lot's of things do not seem right. A fat man with asthma die while resisting arrest for petty crimes. Too bad.

Not only are you not familiar with the evidence it was not your responsibility. It was the responsibility of a specific grand jury. They reviewed the evidence and determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051598 said:
The chokehold and chest compressions are what killed him.
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He wasn't given chest compressions... and why would they kill him anyway? That makes no sense at all.

4 Emergency Workers Put On Desk Duty In Eric Garner Case « CBS New York
About four minutes in, an EMT arrives asking the apparently unconscious Garner questions, and an officer tells him to answer but he still does not move, Smith reported.
A couple of minutes later, Garner is lifted onto a stretcher.
As CBS 2’s Steve Langford reported, Taisha Allen pulled out her phone to record the video of the father of six in custody.
“It’s crazy, and I was like, ‘Perform CPR on him,’ and they was like, ‘He don’t need CPR, or whatever,’ and that he was not breathing at the time.”
But officers said Garner was breathing.
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It's really the only thing I don't understand. Why? The cops should have done it before EMS arrive, and EMS certainly should have ****ing done it.
 
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If Goshin or whoever posted it earlier is right and the chokehold was/is a prohibited action by NYPD (I need to ask my BIL but believe Goshin), then the cop seems to be guilty of something. Manslaughter? I don't know the law. But this is light years away from the Michael Brown situation. I'm not sure I agree with the Grand Jury of this one.
 
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whysoserious said:
As I recall, none were performed until paramedics arrived many minutes later. Without even doing the breathing part, simple chest compressions alone could have easily saved this man.

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Actually, EMS workers apparently did not perform CPR either??? Not sure.
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Not likely. CPR in a hospital setting, when the patient is already there, and the crash is observed, already has a poor rate of success, and that's with availability of defibrillators, pacers, drugs, iv fluids, and high levels of oxygen. Ini the field, CPR has a VERY poor rate of success, and the longer it is delayed, the worse the prognosis.
 
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Peter Grimm said:


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Wow, Peter. That first video is amazing. Thank you!

DirtPoorChris -- I stand corrected.

I didn't watch the second video since the Vulcan Death Grip doesn't count. That IS Mr. Spock, yes? ;)
 
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Kobie said:
I'm not claiming the grand jury was corrupt; I'm claiming the grand jury was wrong.

When did I posit that we give up grand juries?
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Do you have a remedy? Or were you simply musing in our presence?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051609 said:
He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?
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If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD. ;)
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Are you saying its ok to choke non-violent fat people or something? I see no logic in your arguement.
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It helps to begin with evidence. Given that you lack it I am not surprised by your response.

Catch up first. Then, if you bring some facts to the discussion we can interact.
 
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whysoserious said:
He wasn't given chest compressions... and why would they kill him anyway? That makes no sense at all.
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He was given chest compressions. The cop compressed his throat and his chest, thereby killing him, which is a homicide.

The New York Medical Examiner has ruled Garner's death a homicide. The cause of death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
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Misterveritis said:
You object to the law. Fine. The right response is a tax revolt. We are Taxed Enough Already. Oh wait! Did I just do that? TEA Party. Now there is an idea whose time has come.

He committed suicide over at least two decades. He was morbidly obese. Have you arrived at the position that police may not arrest anyone who chooses not to be arrested?

Cool. That should help bring down what is left of the civil society.

Arm up. You are going to need it.
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Civil society doesn't tolerate cops killing people over a stupid thing like selling loose cigarettes.

None of your GD business if he was fat..has nothing to do with it, you are trying to make cognitive dissonance to justify a cop killing an unarmed man for such a petty offense.

Go ahead and arm up, and fantasize about society gone nuts.

You are the one justifying this terrible offense.
 
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