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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Northern Light said:
The job of police is to detain you so that you can submit to due process.

If they are killing people before justice is even served, then the police have become judge, jury and executioner. It's very wrong, and the system needs reform.

Problem is, the system almost always takes the side of police officers. It's the blue line that they all tow. Sick.
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You had better arm up.

The Grand Jury reviewed all of the evidence and determined there was insufficient evidence of a crime to charge anyone.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Oh, no. You have ODS, I see. Obama Dysmorphic Syndrome, the mental condition whereby you tend to blame every negative thing in the world on the sitting President. There are 12 step programs for that.

But seriously, this was the decision of a group of people who were the Grand Jurors. Had nothing to do with the Mayor or the President or the Justice Department.

I'm shocked by the no-bill, too, but let's not try to blame people who had nothing to do with it.
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Exorbitant taxes on tobacco is the fault of the grand jury? Selective enforcement of various laws which gives people the impression that "acceptable" crimes won't be punished is the fault of the grand jury?
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
What the ****? Those didnt contribute to his death at all... A man choking him did. Pretty simple. You squeeze a mans neck too much and he dies.
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Wel, I don't agree with that being an excuse, but the man DID have health problems. He had asthma. Plus you could look at him and see he was unhealthy. He was morbidly obese. But because of his bad health, they should've released or let up when he said he couldn't breathe.
 
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herenow1 said:
He looked like he was being choked to me!
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It might have been from the fried chicken Moochelle told him he could eat after voting democrat. He looked morbidly obese to me.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?
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Why was the guy resisting arrest? Cop should not be indicted for doing his job.

If the black community wants to picket and riot about something, then do something about the crime in your own neighborhoods.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Wel, I don't agree with that being an excuse, but the man DID have health problems. He had asthma. Plus you could look at him and see he was unhealthy. He was morbidly obese. But because of his bad health, they should've released or let up when he said he couldn't breathe.
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Or he shouldn't have resisted arrest. It didn't look like anyone intended to injure him from the edited video I saw. It looked like they were trying to restrain a very large man who was resisting arrest.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Its not proven at all. If you look at the bruise on his face the heavy knuckle impact is down by his mouth while the faded, lighter finger impact part is up closer to his jaw joints. Unless Brown has upside down hands this means its more probably likely that Wilson punched himself after the fact.
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Brown in this thread about Garner?

Re Brown, there was ample evidence that Brown reached into the police car and assaulted the policeman. There is also ample evidence that Brown did NOT have his hands up when shot; witnesses state he was advancing quickly toward the officer, with at least one hand at his waist belt area and the other hand either around his belt area or down somewhere else, but not up in the air. This is when Wilson shot....to stop him. Brown was shot in the front. Remember the reports by so-called witnesses (not under oath) at first, that Brown had been shot six times in the back? Lies.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Why was the guy resisting arrest? Cop should not be indicted for doing his job.

If the black community wants to picket and riot about something, then do something about the crime in your own neighborhoods.
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Ohhh justifying the state killing someone. How "libertarian" of you.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051270 said:
Using reasonable force was choking him to death?
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He wasn't choked to death. The autopsy shows there was no damage to his windpipe.
 
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PerfectStorm said:
Just saw the video for the first time. How the grand jury came to that conclusion is beyond me.
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Did you see all of the evidence the Grand Jury saw? It is okay that it is beyond you.

Volunteer to serve on a grand jury.
 
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Lutherf said:
I doubt very much that you'll see anything close to what happened in Ferguson. New Yorkers make a lot of noise but, as a rule, they're not into wrecking their neighborhood.
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We like our neighborhood very much. Do you have any idea how much it cost to live here?!
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh justifying the state killing someone. How "libertarian" of you.
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This guy was ****ing the state out of it's tax money. That's a crime punishable by death in Libbo Land.
 
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apdst said:
This guy was ****ing the state out of it's tax money. That's a crime punishable by death in Libbo Land.
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Never seen that advocated.
 
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clownboy said:
Where in that link does it say he was breaking up a fight? He was approached by undercover officers because he was known to sell illegal merchandise. He recognized them as cops and decided to "fight back".
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Why do people think they are persuasive if they deliberately post something everyone knows is false?

At no point did he fight back. You know it. Everyone who has seen the video knows it.
 
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Texmex said:
Keep backing these killers. You're just like Fenton.

These types of police actions need to be dealt with. Perhaps with enough media attention, and with help of the White House and Congress, something can finally be done about this travesty.
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Those with tyrannical hearts always speak this way.

Civilians, members of the community, saw the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to prove a crime had occurred. I trust non-governmental civilians. They get it right most of the time.

It is time for the police to arm up and this time shoot the arsonists.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Wel, I don't agree with that being an excuse, but the man DID have health problems. He had asthma. Plus you could look at him and see he was unhealthy. He was morbidly obese. But because of his bad health, they should've released or let up when he said he couldn't breathe.
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The cop who killed him could have at least taken his knee, using his complete body weight as leverage, off the man's head.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Why was the guy resisting arrest? Cop should not be indicted for doing his job.

If the black community wants to picket and riot about something, then do something about the crime in your own neighborhoods.
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Did you see the comment by TheDemSocialist that the choke hold was prohibited and against protocol? That means he was not "doing his job." This incident is totally different from the Brown incident.

But reasonable people want to know all of the evidence before reaching a conclusion. What I read says that Garner told them he couldn't breathe. If that's true, I am flabbergasted they didn't let up on the disallowed choke hold. IF they didn't let up on it.

But in all things, policeman have to weigh actions with consequences with possibles crimes, it seems to me. Selling ciggies with no tax is just not a big deal. Something you'd give a ticket for. Not arrest for. It's not serious like, say, running a red light. You don't want to turn a minor offense into, say, the death of someone. Especially using a choke hold that is against protocol.

I am surprised by the no indictment. But then I haven't seen all the evidence.
 
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Having watched the video many times, in my opinion he should not have been arrested, he should not have been taken to the ground, his head not shoved into concrete and no neck or choke hold used.

That said, it was not manslaughter or murder. Charges such as assault, official oppression, and reckless endangerment would have been more applicable.

Thank sue-em-all lawyers for why police are not indicted. NYC would face a mega million dollar lawsuit with such indictment and conviction.
 
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avery45 said:
I tend to lean conservative/republican and this one has me. Not sure why he isn't, at least going, to trial.
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His neighbors, the Grand Jury reviewed the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to declare a crime occurred. If no crime occurred why would anyone go to trial?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Those with tyrannical hearts always speak this way.

Civilians, members of the community, saw the evidence the prosecutor had and determined there was insufficient evidence to prove a crime had occurred. I trust non-governmental civilians. They get it right most of the time.

It is time for the police to arm up and this time shoot the arsonists.
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Your response, and the response you're responding to, represent the two extremes, neither of which know all of the evidence.

I do find this no-indictment surprising. Something doesn't seem right. This is a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Seems to me any policeman would not want to turn a minor infraction into a death-causing incident, esp. using a disallowed choke hold (disallowed because it kills people). I think I can guess why he felt he had to use it. But then again, we're talking about a guy selling ciggies w/o tax. Not a serious crime like running a red light.

But I'm not familiar with all the evidence. I'd like to know more.
 
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rcart76 said:
I just saw this part.

Can anyone please explain to me how the GJ came to their conclusion after two examiners agreed that this was a homicide?

Keep in mind that this is to get it to go to a trial.
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Homicide is the act of a human killing another human.
I think we can all agree that the acts of one human contributed to the death of another human. The phrase you are grasping for is criminal homicide. Apparently, the Grand Jury determined that no criminal act could be proved.
 
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rcart76 said:
This shouldn't have to be a conservative vs democrat thing. This is a civil rights thing. If police can't get indicted on this, then the Grand Jury proceedings is just a gimmick.

What is the point of doing it if it involves cops?
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You really do not like justice do you?
 
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The good news is that, according to CNN, exactly nothing else bad is happening anywhere else in the world and the only newsworthy event of any kind today was the grand jury's decision on this matter. Otherwise, today was, in CNN's view, utopian. Nothing else happened today of any significance whatsoever.
 
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