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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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This is what tyranny looks like.

It's par for the course though. Especially with this administration. They seem to be rather selective about the laws they choose to enforce and rather nasty to those who choose to enforce them anyway.
 
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This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?

I agree with you that this no-bill on indictment is suspicious, but "homicide" merely means death by another person. It doesn't mean criminal homicide, necessarily. A homicide can be legal, as in the case of self-defense. So don't read too much into what the coroner said. It merely put in writing what everyone knew already.
 
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Educate yourself - I'm not going to waste my time goggling examples of people who referred to Michael Brown as a gentle giant.

It was easy. It took two seconds to find dozens of stories. :)
 
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What should the police have done instead? Said, "well, since you don't want to be arrested I guess you can break the law" and walk away?
That is precisely what the Congress is about to do with the president.
 
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Just watching the video there should have been charges. This appears to not have been done in self defense and after he said "I can't breathe" they continued. I don't know the full story, but given what I see this was excessive force by the police resulting in death even after the suspect told them he couldn't breathe.

It's completely unacceptable and if this is a legal use of force the laws need to be changed. Police are given FAR too much power when they are legally allowed to kill you in the process of apprehension and not acting in self defense.

It looks like his intent wasn't to kill nor is this typically lethal, but with his asthma, obesity and other factors it resulted in death and they should have reacted when he said he couldn't breathe.

So if you are tall and grossly fat and you wear a sign saying you have asthma is that sufficient to prevent your arrest?
 
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This shouldn't have to be a conservative vs democrat thing. This is a civil rights thing. If police can't get indicted on this, then the Grand Jury proceedings is just a gimmick.

What is the point of doing it if it involves cops?

There is still a salient point here. The Mike Brown case does seem to divide pretty hard on partisan lines. This case however seems to be pretty bipartisan. I think that is an interesting fact.

There are the extremes with the wingnuts and moonbats doing their normal falacious bs. But it seems most see how this at least should have gone to trial.
 
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There is no need for a choke hold. The cop needs to be charged and the GJ should admit it to Trial.

I encourage you to move to New York and volunteer for Grand Jury duty.
 
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This thread reveals we've got a bunch of members accustomed to running from the law in all manner of ways. Police are your boogeymen.

Lol.. So far your arguments are:

1. Another bad guy bites the dust. Yay.
2. He was fat.
3. You are all guilty because you hate cops.

You're really not doing too well at this debating thing.
 
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Many things will cause death if a person has a heart issue. A tazer. Chasing the person. Wrestling the person to the ground. Just the stress of arresting someone could do it. The list of what can cause a person to die if the person has a heart condition is nearly endless.

The coroner did rule it was a "homicide" - which doesn't make that a fact but certainly is relevant. I haven't read the coroner's report, though. Have you? What did the coroner say caused the death?

It was a man caused death. It was not a lightning strike. It was not a bee sting. It was not from injuries due to a car accident. It was not from a slip, trip nor fall.

We equate homicide with murder. It is not always murder.
 
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Yea but you don't kill the squeegee men near the Lincoln Tunnel. You use some common sense. I have a friend who a NYC cop for 20 years. He was assigned to remove the homeless as part of stopping the small things. So he offered the guy a happy meal if he came with him to the station. He got OT and easy duty while the homeless guy got a meal and a place to sleep. A win, win. I'm sure there was a better way to handle the situation.

So you wanted to kill him with Happy Meal instead of arresting him yet one more time?
 
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Just watching the video there should have been charges. This appears to not have been done in self defense and after he said "I can't breathe" they continued. I don't know the full story, but given what I see this was excessive force by the police resulting in death even after the suspect told them he couldn't breathe.

It's completely unacceptable and if this is a legal use of force the laws need to be changed. Police are given FAR too much power when they are legally allowed to kill you in the process of apprehension and not acting in self defense.

It looks like his intent wasn't to kill nor is this typically lethal, but with his asthma, obesity and other factors it resulted in death and they should have reacted when he said he couldn't breathe.

What is a cop supposed to do when a subject says, "**** you, I'm not going”?
 
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Nope, was not there. But you think cops just waltz up to someone and choke them out for kicks?
I do! I do!

Well, no. Not really. Do most cops actually know how to waltz?

 
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Maybe not kill them, I don't know; that seems kind of reasonable.

It looked like he died from decades of stupidity.
 
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Chokeholds stop people from breathing. People need to breathe to live. Are you saying the cop was too dumb to figure this out? He was too dumb to know the chokehold was illegal"?
It was not illegal. It violated the police department policy. He may be disciplined for violating policy.
 
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Government needs to be restricted to its proper roles and the freedom and liberties of the individual protected. That is how you maintain a Republic. If you read the posts I was responding to, you may have gotten a bit of context as to why these arguments were presented. But that would require a bit of intellectual integrity and honesty on your part.
And that is the whole purpose of the once revered US Constitution. If you believe what you wrote then get your state to demand an Article V convention of states to propose amendments.
 
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Characterizing him that way is a lie. There is no dispute he smashed the officer in the face. Are you claiming he "gently" slugged the officer in the face? That he was "gentle" in the store?
Its not proven at all. If you look at the bruise on his face the heavy knuckle impact is down by his mouth while the faded, lighter finger impact part is up closer to his jaw joints. Unless Brown has upside down hands this means its more probably likely that Wilson punched himself after the fact.
 
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What is a cop supposed to do when a subject says, "**** you, I'm not going”?

Using reasonable force was choking him to death?
 
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It's par for the course though. Especially with this administration. They seem to be rather selective about the laws they choose to enforce and rather nasty to those who choose to enforce them anyway.

Oh, no. You have ODS, I see. Obama Dysmorphic Syndrome, the mental condition whereby you tend to blame every negative thing in the world on the sitting President. There are 12 step programs for that.

But seriously, this was the decision of a group of people who were the Grand Jurors. Had nothing to do with the Mayor or the President or the Justice Department.

I'm shocked by the no-bill, too, but let's not try to blame people who had nothing to do with it.
 
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