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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Police action. I stated it a while back.
    ANd see...you would be wrong.

    "OCME spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Friday that Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, died from "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

    His weight -- Garner weighed more than 300 pounds -- and pre-existing medical conditions -- acute and chronic bronchial asthma and hypertensive cardiovascular disease -- also contributed to Garner's death, the OCME's report states."

    which means he didnt die of 'homicide'. Once the full findings of the autopsy are released we will see the actual cause of death. As they list "acute and chronic bronchial asthma and hypertensive cardiovascular disease" its probable that it will show he had a coronary attack, not he died because 'the police homicided him'. An 8 second choke hold most probably did NOT kill him.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Is that supposed to be witty?

    The problem in the USA is the 0-tolerance fiasco that's been going on for some time now.
    You see in the news about your schools where a kid playing with a toy gun (from a toy) gets detention and is treated like a criminal and has to sign a document attesting that he understands the difference between a toy and a gun. It's insane.
    Anyway, I'm assuming that such a mentality is pervasive in many police stations.

    0 tolerance makes thinking obsolete because everything is treated as either one thing or another.

    The USA has a problem with this 0 tolerance in general and it's spilling over into europe. 0 tolerance in this and that, and many areas of life. And this mentality is because of perverse and pervasive leftist thinking, aka "progressives". they're the ones who push this sort of mentality.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    As I stated earlier, it is relevant as it shows the reason why there is such a presence of law enforcement in the area. They are not there to harass black people as some like Holder, Obama, and Sharpton claim. They are there because of the volume of criminal activity taking place in that neighborhood.
    You mean like the guy who was stopped the other day because they called the cops on him for walking around with his hands in his pockets? I can assure you that's never happened to me.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    As I stated earlier, it is relevant as it shows the reason why there is such a presence of law enforcement in the area. They are not there to harass black people as some like Holder, Obama, and Sharpton claim. They are there because of the volume of criminal activity taking place in that neighborhood.
    Please link to where Holder, Obama or Sharpton claimed that NYC cops were on that particular street corner at that particular time to "harass black people." In fact, please link to Obama or Holder (I'll even give you Sharpton) accusing the police of "harassing black people."
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ANd see...you would be wrong.
    As his death was ruled a homicide? Which means in every definition of the word that someone's actions led to his death? I am most certainly not. Please stop this. You ****ed up and didn't realize the larger argument
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Trayvon had nothing to do with police.
    It had to do with court decisions, which was spun as a racial injustice, just like the other two.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Note elbow position. if the crook of that elbow is sticking out like that the trachea is not being compressed. officer choke hold doesn't have position, and isn't actually choking ****.
    Well, it is probalby choking him...it's just not likely doing it exceptionally well, and in a way that would actually cause consiousness issues for most healthy people.

    Rather than looking at the crook of the elbow, look at the forearm across the throat. Now, barring the caveat I put in the other post (that I can't fully tell where the individuals throat is so I'm unsure how straight he has the forearm against it), that absolutely can be an windpipe choke.

    Since everyone is liking pictures, I'll grab a random picture of a very typical Judo choke:



    Painful, especially if applied quickly, but not something that typically is going to cause incapacitation anywhere near as quickly as sliding down it into an actual traditional rear naked/sleeper style hold. But still technically a "choke". And similar to the hold the officer has on him.

    Though again, as I said in my previous post...i've not seen the video, and just going off that picture, its impossible for me to say if that was his intent or if he was going for a blood choke and for whatever reason simply failed at it.

    Nope, I'd never tap on that hold. where his elbow creases is, his trach has space. also without hooks in, he's got no leverage.
    If you'd not be tapping if someone did that hold right, you've got better pain tolerance than me Then again, I've always disliked that throat constricting feeling significantly more than the pressure of a carotid.

    As to the picture...while he's doesn't have very good leverage to do anything to someone with a modicrum of ground fighting knowledge, he's got more than enough to potentially still make that choke decently effective for causing pain and making difficulty breathing to someone whose out of shape, has physical issues impairing breathing, and doesn't seem to have much knowledge of ground fighting. His shoulder and arm can be used to apply the leverage needed to keep his victims from moving back away from the choke. He's got the space there to use his legs and weight to provide a suitable base to keep the choke on.

    While there's no doubt in my mind someone like yourself, or even potentially someone like CMP, would likely not have much issue dealing with such a hold, this was a far different situation.

    Now all that said...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ANd see...you would be wrong.

    "OCME spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said Friday that Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, died from "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

    His weight -- Garner weighed more than 300 pounds -- and pre-existing medical conditions -- acute and chronic bronchial asthma and hypertensive cardiovascular disease -- also contributed to Garner's death, the OCME's report states."

    which means he didnt die of 'homicide'. Once the full findings of the autopsy are released we will see the actual cause of death. As they list "acute and chronic bronchial asthma and hypertensive cardiovascular disease" its probable that it will show he had a coronary attack, not he died because 'the police homicided him'. An 8 second choke hold most probably did NOT kill him.
    Pretty sure if the police had not intervened that he would likely be alive today.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not suggesting that at all. By "form of arrest", I mean that the police department itself banned its officers from use of that choke hold. A jury in a court could convict the officer of negligence leading to death if they believe that the officer ignored police regulations in the process of the arrest. A police officer can be negligent in the conduct of a legal act - that's my point.
    Do you know the difference between a headlock (pictured below) and a choke hold?

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