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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What, exactly, are you referring to as "the form of arrest"? It is typical in any arrest that the suspect is handcuffed and takien in for booking. This man had been arrested about 30 times before and was quite "tired of it" and decided to resist. What "other side" of cuffing a suspect placed under arrest is there? Should police simply let folks, that choose to resist arrest, go on their merry way?
    I'm not suggesting that at all. By "form of arrest", I mean that the police department itself banned its officers from use of that choke hold. A jury in a court could convict the officer of negligence leading to death if they believe that the officer ignored police regulations in the process of the arrest. A police officer can be negligent in the conduct of a legal act - that's my point.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The rule of law only changes legality, not reality, and furthermore, they didn't have probable cause so your legality excuse doesn't apply. Nice try though.
    Shoooooooooore...right. So...you should be sure to encourage people you care about to resist arrest. And post the video.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Still refuse to answer the question? What did he die of?
    Police action. I stated it a while back.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Looking at the video many time I have one question; why did the criminal refuse to cooperate with the police? Caught red handed he lifts his arms saying waddup dudes? then he places both hands on his hips sending another message of defiance. Resist the cops and you will pay.

    Red-handed doing what? he had a single pack of cigarettes in his pocket. He wasn't caught doing ****.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes it is very relevant. We have Attorney General Eric Holder, Obama and race hustler Al Sharpton who apparently is an advisor to Obama on race related issues, in just a matter of weeks have gone after two Grand Jury decisions as being unjust. They have put a cloud of suspicion over the prosecutors in both cases. They have gone after the cops making claims that white police officers are racists and profilers chipping away at our judicial process.

    Obama, Holder, Sharpton and others had a meeting at the White House over Ferguson and Staten Island and they came up with a list of things officers needed to change. Not once was there mentioned what could be done in these high crime areas to change the behavior. Not once did they address the high unemployment rate among blacks or the 70% of black babies that are born into fatherless families and poverty. They did not address the reason there is a noticeable presence of cops in these neighborhoods is directly due to the large volume of criminal activity in these areas. Instead, the "Three Amigos" Holder, Obama, and Sharpton are making it about race and harassment not holding those who break the law to accountability.

    Though some claim a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich, that isn't true. There is a threshold that has to be met in order to indict an individual of the crime he/she is being accused. And if it is sent on to trial, the burden of proof becomes much greater. If a Grand Jury can't indict, then there is no way a court of law could convict. The video clearly shows the officer using a maneuver the NYPD banned. The Grand Jury was given the task to determine if that was enough evidence to indict the officer of the charges leveled against him. After weighing all the evidence, they found it did not. Evidence you nor any of us are privy to. And as mentioned previously, the officer was stripped of his gun and badge over the incident.

    Quite frankly the frenzy over race being instigated by Holder, Obama and Sharpton has led to this lynch mob mentality toward cops and law enforcement. ( especially white cops). And nothing good will come from it.
    Every single word you typed here is 100% irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the police used unnecessary force in the attempted arrest of Garner. All the typical right-wing bitching about "race hustlers" changes nothing that was captured on that tape.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    he died directly due to police aggression.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it isn't intellectually dishonest. A choke hold is not usually lethal when applied for more than 5 minutes (4 minutes without oxygen starts brain damage). The choke hold administered to Gardner lasted, and I counted, 13 seconds. That isn't even enough to knock someone out. All of this is clearly in evidence even in the Gardener video since he was still conscious even after the submission hold was released.
    You're missing the point.

    Choking someone can be lethal as you stated. Just because he didn't have the five minutes to kill Garner doesn't mean the force he used can be considered lethal.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Resisting.



    lol, so a cop can be an aggressor and the crime becomes telling that cop you've had enough of his harassment
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did he attempt to take his hands away from being cuffed? Did he not put his hand up and slightly push the cop back even though it wasn't really a push?

    Banned doesn't mean it was illegal.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never had any of my arrests questioned.



    wait, so you are a cop? I thought your dad was.
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