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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So, because I have a different view of each situation you see an issue? Hmm.
    No, I have an issue because you display an inconsistent hypocrisy who seems to rely on bull**** arguments when it suits him.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You of course realize I just tried to lick my elbow to see if you're right.

    You're right. On both counts.
    Actually, you can lick your elbow. It does require breaking your humerus but it most definitely can be done.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think its laughable you call this case an 'assault'. So see? We both have cause to

    The police were attempting to arrest the man. He decided he wasnt going to be arrested. They arrested him. They didnt beat him with hose. They didnt taze him. They took him to the ground, held him in place while they cuffed him. Police are going to do that when you decide to resist arrest. Thats just a reality. The remedy...dont resist arrest. Fight charges in court. Hell...people do it all the time.
    Yes, just take it and hope justice is served. We should tell that to all assault victims. Don't fight back, just let them assault you and fight it later in court. Maybe you should review the definition of assault and tell me exactly how this wasn't assault. Go ahead, tell me how the definition of assault doesn't apply to everything that happened here. It should fun reading that pile of bull****. I imagine you will say, but this was lawful, but oh dear, you see, they didn't have probable cause and they did in fact attack and kill the man. You fail.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What part about resisting arrest don't you get.....
    Resisting arrest? Looks like to me his hands were up in the air when they grabbed him, and took him down.

    the chokehold is not illegal.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Do you always support a police state or only when the cops are attacking minorities for petty offenses?
    You have never been to a police state.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, just take it and hope justice is served. We should tell that to all assault victims. Don't fight back, just let them assault you and fight it later in court. Maybe you should review the definition of assault and tell me exactly how this wasn't assault. Go ahead, tell me how the definition of assault doesn't apply to everything that happened here. It should fun reading that pile of bull****. I imagine you will say, but this was lawful, but oh dear, you see, they didn't have probable cause and they did in fact attack and kill the man. You fail.

    No...there is a world of difference between being arrested by law enforcement officials and being assaulted. One case is backed by the rule of law and the other is not. But you go ahead and feel free to fight an arrest by a law enforcement officer. That IS what you are advocating...right? (Seems we have already had this discussion). Just remember that video...k?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, I have an issue because you display an inconsistent hypocrisy who seems to rely on bull**** arguments when it suits him.
    Sorry you feel that way. Learn how to read and maybe you would see it different.
    Go back and read the Bundy threads. Read the Ferguson threads. No see this one. Different issues, different opinions. Period. Get over it.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You have never been to a police state.
    Well we're certainly skipping down the path. We need to get some reasonable restraint on the entire system.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So...your position is he died of 'death by homicide'.

    Now...what did he actually DIE of?
    My position is that he died as a result of police action. That makes it a homicide. That you're still trying to claim that it was asthma and his weight that killed him is like saying JFK was killed by blood loss and not Oswald firing a bullet into his head. Not only does it avoid the fact that his asthma and weight were perfectly fine until he came into contact with the police, it paints his death as the result of his health problems and not the fact that police action led to his death. Are you still trying? Move along, VanceMack.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    You said the Officer had no way of knowing the force he used would be lethal. You made the intellectually dishonest claim that the Officer didn't know that the force he used (which was choking) could be lethal.
    No, it isn't intellectually dishonest. A choke hold is not usually lethal when applied for more than 5 minutes (4 minutes without oxygen starts brain damage). The choke hold administered to Gardner lasted, and I counted, 13 seconds. That isn't even enough to knock someone out. All of this is clearly in evidence even in the Gardener video since he was still conscious even after the submission hold was released.
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