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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - my point is that I'd rather have a court and a jury, hearing all evidence, determine if they believe the form of arrest was warranted in this case and if not then the officer's contribution to the eventual death would be penalized accordingly. Such a jury would be able to weigh both sides of the argument, in public view, rather than in secret, and it would better serve justice in the eyes of the community.
    That's an excellent point, actually. "Perception is reality."
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you realize that his death was not and in fact COULD not be a 'homicide' as there has been no jury ruling or court finding that the officer was guilty of a deliberate and unlawful killing of an individual? DO you realize the autopsy described NUMEROUS contributing factors including weight, asthma, apnea, cardiac, etc?
    Just because someone has health problems does not mean that you can kill them without respite. Smothering somebody who's in critical condition in a hospital is still murder.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then don't expect for them to treat you with kid gloves.
    No speak, fine. Cuffed until we find out who called and why and if you are part of the issue. Still wont talk, you are obstructing. To jail you go.
    This BS smells worse than your usual.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Maybe you should clarify your double negative in the post I responded to.
    You said the Officer had no way of knowing the force he used would be lethal. You made the intellectually dishonest claim that the Officer didn't know that the force he used (which was choking) could be lethal.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not a choke hold. One frame of vid is not proof of a choke hold. But hey, you try the job on for size and see how your attitude changes about the poor misunderstood people.

    Are you kidding, that was an attempt at the classic no gi "lapel choke", right up and too (which is absolute proof) the palm to palm grip the cop is using which is used in liu of a gi lapel to hook onto..

    untrained types interlock thier fingers by default, palm to palm grip is a trained behavior.

    I've done a much harder jobs than cops dealing with people far more hostile to me than a guy selling loosies. If being mean to you hurts your feelings, don't be a cop.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Homicide has several meanings.
    Still trying? Homicide means the death of one person was caused by another in every definition posted. I wanted you to post that fact which is why I let you think that I was only relying on the legal definition. So with that said, what homicide means is that the police caused his death. You spent 2+ pages trying to argue that this guy's fatness and illness was to blame. If that had been the case, the coroner's report wouldn't have pointed out his death was a homicide. It also doesn't mean he died from just an asthma attack and being fat. What it does is place those factors as secondary to the fact that police action caused his death. Do you have anything you'd like to add?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Just because someone has health problems does not mean that you can kill them without respite. Are you suggesting that smothering somebody who's in critical condition in a hospital is not murder?
    My issue is why wasn't he given assistance on the sidewalk? Aren't police and especially EMS trained to give CPR and other first aid. Didn't happen here.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's pretty sad how fast you pull that card and easy you find it to justify assault. Personally, I struggle with agreeing with the existence of police because they have an exception to pretty much every rule when it comes to human interaction.

    Assault? Fine if the person won't follow your orders.
    Invading the body of your fellow man? Fine if you think they have drugs.
    Destroying their property? Fine if you think they have drugs.
    Taking their blood? Fine if you think they did drugs.

    I could on of course, but you get the point.
    I think its laughable you call this case an 'assault'. So see? We both have cause to

    The police were attempting to arrest the man. He decided he wasnt going to be arrested. They arrested him. They didnt beat him with hose. They didnt taze him. They took him to the ground, held him in place while they cuffed him. Police are going to do that when you decide to resist arrest. Thats just a reality. The remedy...dont resist arrest. Fight charges in court. Hell...people do it all the time.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not inconsistent at all. No one was trying to arrest anyone at Bundy.
    You're right, a government agency was conducting a legal action and you stood against it because accountability shouldn't be expected of someone claiming nonsensical ancestral rights. Again, more inconsistency.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's readily apparent that CRUE CAB has never watched the full video of the incident.
    It's obvious that Crew Cab makes his mind up according to the skin color and possible political affiliation of the person in question.

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